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What happens when fuel return line gets too hot?

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4.1K views 10 replies 6 participants last post by  IND9S  
#1 ·
I have been running this setup for a couple years now (Only 1000 miles or so) and I think the pump has recently been giving me problems. It is a Granatelli fuel pickup routed via -8AN line to the rear frame rail through a 100micron Earls filter, directle into the Aeromotive 11106 pump, routed through an Earls 10micron filter and then to the fuel rail. The setup ran fine for a couple years. Now after driving for more than about 20 mins or so, I can hear the pump start howling and watch the fuel pressure drop. Car runs like crap for about 15-20 seconds then dies. I have to let it sit for about 20 mins before she will start sucking fuel again.

Things I've tried:
Cleaning filters (even gutted 100 micron screen)
removing gas cap
Opening supply line to fuel rail to get pump to breath
Dropped tank to ensure no pinched lines.
Swapped for Brand new pump.

I called Aeromotive, they said the problem was the Earl's brand filters. They suggested I try their filters before sending off pump. Not sure if it's legit idea, or are they just trying to sell there product? Their 2 filters are $100 each! I don't have $200 to throw around at fuel filters just to troubleshoot.

While troubleshooting, I pinched off the return line. The engine displayed similiar symptoms as when I'm driving down the road. She finally died. She wouldn't re-prime until I cracked the return line at the fuel rail. Seeing how I converted from carb, I ran all this fuel line myself. It passes right by the exhaust header, and I am wondering if it is heating up and "vapor locking?"
 
#2 ·
Your pump is acting like my old pump used to when it got hot. How long have you had the lines near the header - is that new? The fuel filters are facing the right way correct? They are the same filter size that Aeromotive recommends on their sight and in the same configuration so I don't think that would be an issue. You stated you tried a new pump? - check the fuse in your power line and make sure it's not on its way out.
 
#3 ·
Lines have been routed that way for almost 2 years. However, the problem came up when I moved to this hotter climate. Fuel filters are the correct micron, configuration, and direction. They are not the AEROMOTIVE brand though.

Yes, NEW pump, no help.
If it were the fuse, it would just turn off. I can hear the pump starving for fuel and attempting to purge air. She'll cycle all day long, but once this problem hits, she wont push out (or take in?) fuel.
 
#5 ·
You have the better of the two fuel pickups (vs the Cartech). So I know there's no screen on the pickup bottom in the tank... The only other thing I can think of is mounting height for the pump too high or fuel in the tank to low. ...but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with those.

Just throwing out ideas..

Is the pump getting 12 volts.
You may consider an Aeromotive or other make voltage regulator so it's not at full flow under normal driving conditions.

Otherwise .... good luck hunting.


Your problem is why I ended up going back to a 255 in-tank with a KB BAP. It's now been about 2 years with no issues. I sat in too much traffic around here to worry about fuel all the time.
 
#7 ·
Yeah, when I got the new pump this weekend, I mounted it on drop brackets so that it is now level with the tank vs. higher. But even while it was higher for the last few years, it worked.

The pump is gettng 12 volts, but I don't know much about the voltage regulator. Does it simply save wear and tear on the pump?

Thanks guys for the ideas.
One last thing, the fact that the supply line is -8 size, and the return line is -6 size shouldn't matter, should it?
 
#8 ·
no that shouldnt matter... are you running the pump off the stock intank pump wiring? if so run a new dedicated feed to it. have you ever felt the fuel line that runs next to the header to see if it is soft/ collapsed while hot?

adam
 
#9 · (Edited)
The voltage regulator is designed to drop voltage to the pump under normal operating conditions (idle, low rpm). Then at a setting of your choice the pump will kick on full voltage (high rpm). It allows the fuel pump to run slower at the low rpms and then kick into high gear when there's a fuel demand. They usually have a way to bypass the voltage drop for track use (electronic switch). It's supposed to keep the pump cooler for those people using the larger pumps in a daily driver.

http://www.aeromotiveinc.com/pdetail.php?prod=31
 
#11 ·
i run a weldon 2025 on the street and have no issues with it heating up in the florida heat. have you possibly looked into the way the pump is mounted with the pick up? these kind of pumps dont like to be mounted to high in relation to the tank and like to have a sump-tank set up or cell. you may be working the pump too hard to pull the fuel from the tank and it wasnt noticable until you got into the hotter weather cause the cool weather kept it cool. just food for thought.