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Difference between TFI modules

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#1 ·
I am working on building a 89 stang Mass air system for a 408 ci ford engine, I was told I really need to be sure I am using the correct TFI module to match the ECM for manual or auto. If they are missmatched some reason the cyclinders will melt down.

Anyone have the low down on this information?
 
#2 ·
jopes said:
I am working on building a 89 stang Mass air system for a 408 ci ford engine, I was told I really need to be sure I am using the correct TFI module to match the ECM for manual or auto. If they are missmatched some reason the cyclinders will melt down.

Anyone have the low down on this information?
lol - that's a new one for me - never heard of such a thing :D
 
#3 ·
You may get more info in the eec forum. I run a auto distributor and a9p (auto computer) with no problems in a stick car. I have read that the auto tfi wont allow the car to be push started but i have push started mine. So i guess you cant always believe whats on the internet. Imagine that.
 
#6 ·
I don't know about auto and manual differences, but here is some info on the two different TFIs I'm aware of...........

The early TFI system, which Ford calls the "Push Start" TFI system, uses a gray TFI module. Originally, the module was mounted on the distributor. In the late '80s, Ford began to relocate it away from the distributor on some vehicles to provide better protection from the effects of engine heat, but system operation remained the same. It uses a Hall effect pickup (stator) in the distributor, which generates a battery voltage, 50% duty cycle square wave, called the PIP signal, to the EEC-IV PCM and the TFI module. The PCM processes this signal and sends out another battery voltage, 50% duty cycle square wave, called the SPOUT signal, to the TFI module. As long as the TFI module is receiving a SPOUT signal, it will fire the coil at the rising edge of that signal (except during engine cranking, when SPOUT is ignored) and the vehicle will run with the amount of timing advance commanded by the computer. If the TFI module does not receive the SPOUT signal, it will fire the coil at the rising edge of the PIP signal, and the vehicle will run at base timing. This is true on all TFI systems.

Ignition dwell with the Push Start (gray module) system is controlled by the TFI module alone, and increases with engine rpm. The Ignition Diagnostic Monitor (IDM) signal on a Push Start TFI system comes from the coil negative circuit and is filtered through a 22k ohm resistor to pin #4 on the EEC-IV computer. The computer monitors this circuit to verify a coil firing for each PIP signal, and sets codes if it sees missing or erratic signals. Another feature that is unique to the Push Start TFI system is the start input on pin #4 of the module connector. This is wired into the starter relay trigger circuit, and signals the TFI module that the engine is cranking. When the module sees battery voltage on this circuit, the SPOUT signal is ignored.

In the early '90s, Ford began using a different TFI system on certain vehicles -- the Computer Controlled Dwell (CCD) TFI system. The TFI module on CCD TFI is always black in color. There are a few major differences between the two systems. As the name implies, with the CCD system, the computer controls primary dwell. The CCD TFI module still ungrounds (fires) the coil at the rising edge of the SPOUT signal, but now the falling edge of the SPOUT signal (which had no meaning to the Push Start TFI module) is used by the CCD TFI module to ground the coil. The PIP signal remains the same 50% duty cycle square wave, but SPOUT signal duty cycle varies according to how much dwell is desired by the computer.

Another major difference between the two systems is the IDM circuit. Pin #4 on the CCD TFI module, which was the start circuit input on the Push Start TFI module, is now the IDM signal, sent directly from the TFI module to pin #4 on the EEC-IV computer. This signal is still a filtered (low voltage) version of the ignition primary waveform, but is filtered internally in the TFI module rather than through an external resistor. There isn't any start circuit input to the CCD TFI module; the module infers engine cranking from a low rpm input from the PIP signal.
Since these two TFI systems are so significantly different, yet so similar in appearance, parts application problems will inevitably occur. A gray Push Start TFI module will plug right into a CCD system, and vice versa. To make matters worse, parts books are often incorrect on TFI module applications! With the incorrect TFI module installed, the vehicle will run, but drivability and MIL (malfunction indicator lamp) problems will result. For instance, if a gray Push Start TFI module is installed in a CCD system, the computer will not be able to control ignition dwell, and the MIL will illuminate with memory codes for the IDM circuit set, as the gray TFI module is incapable of generating an IDM signal to the computer. If a black CCD TFI module is installed in a Push Start system, dwell will remain fixed, since the SPOUT signal duty cycle never changes. If in doubt about which TFI module belongs on a particular vehicle, consult the ignition system-wiring diagram for the vehicle. If the wire going to pin #4 on the EEC-IV computer comes directly from pin #4 of the TFI module, it is a CCD system. If not, it is a Push Start system.
 
#8 ·
What watage is the 22k Ohm Resistor???? I'm trying to order one. I'm wiring a 95 GT up for a person and its got an 88 Engine and drive train in it. Using all 94-95 Mustang GT wiring. I got the TFI wiring moved over to the Distributor. I'm needing this resistor to complete everything. Thanks.

Danny
 
#9 ·
Mt Merkur XR4TI had a gray TFI and I was given a Black TFI module. Engine starts, but there is a loud knocking sound that sounds more like a lifter. Could the wrong TFI module be causing this?

Just FYI, I replaced the valve cover gasket with a blue rubber "permanent" type. After that, no spark, replaced the TFI and not the knocking....

Could the wrong TFI be causing this?