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another driveline vibration question

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4.3K views 32 replies 10 participants last post by  kbernal1016  
#1 ·
I have a 91 notch that was a 4cyl converted to a v8. when i put it together I put 4.10 gears in the rear end. it has had this vibration in it since I put it together at 60 mph and above, it is driveline not engine related because you can let the engine idle at 60 mph and it still does it. the faster you go the worse it gets.
things that i have replaced to cure this: transmission , driveshaft, axles, verified pinion angle. also have run it on jack stands with out brake drums and wheels to rule them things out. it also has 4cyl springs in the front and rear.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
thank you
Steve
 
#2 ·
This may sound silly but did this have the weights on the rear of the transmission or rear end? And are they still there? I am also fighting a vibration problem and I have changed everything that spins. The only thing I can think of is there was weight on the rear of the transmission that got chucked. (oops) And mine is like yours at an idle at 65mph it's the same. Had 3 drive shafts 2 transmissions 2 flywheels
I did a auto-5 speed swap- before I did it everything was smooth as silk.
Please let me know what you find Lee
 
#6 ·
Your biggest problem, as you'll find in the TCCOA article linked above and written by a ford driveline engineer, is your steel driveshaft. Balancing won't cure it. You need an aluminum driveshaft, properly indexed to the pinion flange. ANd check your pinion angle while you're in there.
 
#7 ·
this is the exact problem I am going through right now. My car had 3.08's and ran smooth. I put 3.55's and now I have a vibration at about 65mph. All new bearings and ford racing gears. It has been driving me mad! I am going to look into an aluminum shaft. Why on most cars does this not happen though when changing gear ratio's?
thanks for the help
 
#11 ·
Under the grime on the pinion flange is a white paint dab. You match that as close as you can with the greenish yellow dot on the body of the driveshaft.
 
#14 ·
There will be.
 
#13 ·
From '92 service manual...Section 00-04

Driveshaft Indexing Procedure

The first check to be performed when driveshaft vibration is suspected is re-indexing the driveshaft at both the rear axle and transmission.

A vibration free driveline can result from the driveshaft indexing procedure when minor driveshaft imbalance is cancelled by minor system runouts.

1. Raise vehicle on hoist. Refer to «Section 00-02». Remove rear wheel and tire assemblies and rear drum or rotor assemblies. Place floor stands under suspension arms to support rear of vehicle. Note or mark index of driveshaft to transmission and axle companion flange.

2. Mark one hole position on driveshaft yoke at rear of driveshaft with the letter A and the eight circular flange holes (starting with the mating hole with driveshaft position A) from one through eight. Position A-1 is considered the original index position.

3. Disconnect driveshaft, re-index 180 degrees at axle position A-5. Check for vibration at road test speed. If vibration is still present, evaluate positions A3 and A7.



4. If further improvement is desired, evaluate remaining positions that are located between the best of the two previous positions, A-3 and A-7. If vehicle tests satisfactorily at any point during this procedure, do not proceed with any further steps.

5. If re-indexing at axle is unsuccessful, disconnect the driveshaft, re-index 180 degrees at transmission and connect. Check for vibration at road test speed. If vehicle tests satisfactorily, do not proceed with any further steps.

NOTE:
Remove driveshaft from vehicle and manipulate Universal joints in each direction of rotation. If a Universal joint feels stiff or has a "lumpy", "gritty" feel in any direction, replace Universal joints.

6. If re-indexing at both axle and transmission is unsuccessful, refer to Driveshaft Balance Diagnosis as outlined.

NOTE:
Original equipment driveshaft-to-axle companion flange retaining bolts (N-800594-S100) are Loctite coated and do not require a lockwasher. If these bolts are removed, they may be re-installed, if additional Loctite is applied. New and used bolts must be tightened to 95-129 N-m (70-95 lb-ft).
 
#16 ·
thought I would give a progress report. after changing everything listed and checking pinion angle. pinion angle was 2degrees nose up ,I changed it to 3degrees down. ran on jack stands still has vibration, decided to road test it barley has any vibration in it but is still evident about 65 mph that there is still some there.
I am going to performance plus on friday to get a new aluminum drive shaft for it and I will try that some time this weekend. I will update progress report after that.
thanks for all the info it has helped in diagnoseing this problem.
thanks
Steve
 
#19 ·
Thread jack!

I installed my driveshaft spacer and still had vibration issues. I just finished rotating my driveshaft 180 degrees and I have yet to road test it; I will respond with my results later.

However, I snapped some pics and I want some opinions. I still think I am not getting enough engagment, even with the spacer. I have replace the tailshaft bushing, and had my driveshaft completely serviced; new joints and balance. Let me know what you guys think.

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#27 ·
That looks like it's not in far enough.

I was under my car yesterday putting in my AL driveshaft...and it's engaged about 1" more than yours is