That is cool! Can’t wait to see the results.

i understand 11.3 427 with 250+ high ports, etc…

i saw the lift limit. What kind of rpm we looking at? 800 hp? Predictions?

 

He did an LS cam challenge first that was neat to follow. It was HR which most people run so it got alot of attention.

This one is more on the racy side, not what the masses do, but still cool. I'm glad it's not just a rehash of the LS version.

 

I don't need a bunch of fancy internet testing to know that the Ford Motorsport B cam is the best.

 

I suppose it's a good idea, if you sell content.

 

Some might find it interesting to follow the competition and see the results. Maybe someone on here will participate? Ed?

Not interested in supplying "clicks" for such a lame deal. That stupid LS camshaft "test" clearly showed how flawed these click-bait tests really are. Then again, he made money on the views and selling his "book".

Besides, one of the guys I provide custom camshafts to, already has the data on this stuff so if he won, people would cry foul and if he didn't, the same cucks would say the design sucked. A total no win for anyone, other than the BoobTuber.

/awaiting the guttersnipes

 

It’s a choice to buy his stuff. I am good with people spending their money on what they want.

Even if it’s entertainment….😇

 

It’s a choice to buy his stuff. I am good with people spending their money on what they want.

Even if it’s entertainment….😇

duplicate post.

 

👙👙👙

 

These Youtubers will do anything to get a click. This guy did a whole video on this old junker.

 

Evan Smith does a ton of videos now that the paper media is dead. His role as editor of Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords was well received by the Ford racers.

At least he is a RACER, unlike a bunch of those "engine builder" guys on BoobTube.

 

I’m following no internet- heroes or youtubers. However, if I sat on knowledge that made me think I could win, I’d compete.
Even if it generates some cash or followers for a poor youtuber.
But yeah- prefer the good ol’ Engine master & Carb competitons. For sure. If I had more resources, and a bit more brains, I’d enter.

 

At least he is a RACER, unlike a bunch of those "engine builder" guys on BoobTube.

Exactly.

 

No problem with Erik doing a test like this with his own and donor money. That is a potentially smart business move.

My issue is the people who try to make it more than it is. Following it as if it will lead to some esoteric knowledge of the internal combustion engine. I think there are still people over on another site trying to plug-in various numbers to find some kind of meaningful data from the LS cam challenge.

 

My issue is the people who try to make it more than it is. Following it as if it will lead to some esoteric knowledge of the internal combustion engine. I think there are still people over on another site trying to plug-in various numbers to find some kind of meaningful data from the LS cam challenge.

That has been the problem with the internet car sites from the beginning. Lots of big egos and loudmouths that are emotionally attached to the way a car runs. The LS guys were always the best to get riled up. The Incon twin turbo guys that were on here were just as bad.

 

Too bad, Zach was in a position where the only sensible thing was to remove himself from the competition.

There is a part of me that thinks it would be hilarious to hire Ed Curtis to do a custom camshaft. Then act like I came up with it. Only to come clean later and see the response from some of the haters 😂

 

I think the entertainment aspect of it could be fun, and maybe even instructive in a way or two.

15 years ago I was going to build a 427" Windsor with TFS 240 hi ports, or a set of C302B heads I have. I spec'd out a cam, with using 1.7 rockers. ... Other priorities, and life got in the way.

I figured if I entered the competition, then Eric could run my cam against 14 other or so, and I'd know how "smart" or "dumb" my cam choice would be. His flow numbers might have me changing the intake lobe, but it's still going to be in the same neighborhood, but I'll certainly be doing something different with the exhaust lobe I would not have done 15 years ago.

We'll see how it goes.

 

I think the entertainment aspect of it could be fun, and maybe even instructive in a way or two.

15 years ago I was going to build a 427" Windsor with TFS 240 hi ports, or a set of C302B heads I have. I spec'd out a cam, with using 1.7 rockers. ... Other priorities, and life got in the way.

I figured if I entered the competition, then Eric could run my cam against 14 other or so, and I'd know how "smart" or "dumb" my cam choice would be. His flow numbers might have me changing the intake lobe, but it's still going to be in the same neighborhood, but I'll certainly be doing something different with the exhaust lobe I would not have done 15 years ago.

We'll see how it goes.

So are you saying you did enter?

 

Hahaha! Slumming it with the small block guys? 😁

 

I'll be curious to see how you do Jon!

 

I like Eric W.'s videos, and how he explains his processes. I've talked to him a few times, and he has done some quality work for me. He is extremely knowledgeable and I wish him the best of luck! I've also got a really cool cam from Ed Curtis ("B-cam on steroids...or was it Viagra?"), and I'm excited to get this car running soon so I can show it off! I appreciate those with knowledge contributing to the online community. It's a big part of what makes this hobby fun for me.

 

Well I’m bummed because I only have room in the garage for one project and it’s become a 408w, so I’m not going to run Ed’s cam after all. Probably would be great on the street but this setup is for the retrofit roller cam with a smaller base circle and the short block I picked up has a decent cam in it already.

Would love to hear a video of the B+ cam if anyone is running one!

 

The cam cards have been posted.

Intake specs range from 254 @ .050 to 274 @ .050 (for 16 cams) and one out there at 285 @.050

Smallest intake lobe is .450" (1.6 rocker) the largest .498". A good spread in the .460 -.480" range.

The cam I entered is In: 261 @ .050 .480" lobe Ex: 270 @.050 440" lobe. Lobe sep 108

It's the 4th smallest Intake duration.

 

Looking forward to seeing the results. Sounds like a ton of work too!

 

Somehow we have survived today, holding the lead and 2nd place.

 

Fantastic results by YOU.....

"Bigger isn't always better"

I'm hoping to hang on to being in the upper 1/3. Still have the pk trq going for me.

I'd like to see my cam retarded 6* to see what it does.

 

Some very impressive numbers for a 7500 RPM 427.

 

Congrats Chris and Tim...

 

Thank you! Means a lot coming from you Chris. I did ok for my first custom cam...with Chris's Magic Lobes I have all the respect in the world for the Competitors that show up. The Keyboard Race Engine Builders really miss the point of these competitions....

 

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I like my choice of lobes, but I picked the incorrect opening and closing events for them. Ended up with the highest Trq (584 lbs ft at 5,000) and the lowest HP in the group (686) my hp was off by 20. My best guess is my cam was installed WAY forward. - Ultimately I finished 7th out of the 18 cams run.

I'd love to make a few changes.

 

My best guess is my cam was installed WAY forward. - Ultimately I finished 7th out of the 18 cams run.

I'd love to make a few changes.

Bummer. That is where the negativity has come from. Cams not degreed in. But there is only so much time he can dedicate to this. I get it.

 

If he would use something like a Danny Bee or Jesel belt drive he could change the cam out without removing the front cover. I can't remember how tight the squeeze is but he might also be able to do it without removing the balancer. It would not help degreeing the cams but he could easily do some pulls at +/- 2 or 4 degrees with each one.

I am somewhat close and have these belt drives, I also have a bunch of Procharger SBF stuff. Maybe he needs volunteers for that SBF blower test.

 

Isn't he doing the SBC with a blower? I'd be very curious to see N/A vs Centri Blower peak RPM with the same cam to know how far different cams shift. Would a blower shift the peak RPM for all cams xxx RPM, or would the shift depend on the relative size of the cam? That's a huge ask for a cam test.

Congrats to those that joined the competition. It's amazing how similiar and yet how far apart these cams are and I'm still very interested in this level of detail.

 

Here's a graph of the top 8:
I'm the highest trq and lowest HP:


Here are 3 of the six that finished above me: Highest trq.. lowest HP

 

IMHO, the only way to do this fairly is to choose a blower; Centri, Roots or Screw and make that specific style, make and model blower part of the base combo, just as the previous test was done.

In my world (maybe not others) most 302 / 351 SBF combos were setup with Centrifugal blowers. But since I'm a 302 based guy and 351's provide a wider V for Roots or Screw blower intakes, I could be wrong.

With this 427 / High Port combo already assembled and me being being a Vortech Guy, I'd like to see a Non Intercooled YSi or YSiB added to the existing setup with either 1 specific pulley combo or several specific - not sure enough dyno time would be available for 2-3 pulls with multiple pulley combos.

I'm sure as many or more ProCharger people would like to see their favorite model ProCharger used in testing.

Since this is a world that I lived in for 15 or so years, I'd be willing to contribute some money to a specific cam designer to help things along.