wow no interest guys...is it the aprox cost of it or just not interested...i need your help cause without input i got nothing to give to mat at kenne bell....from the conversation i had with mat...jim bell just wants confermation that people are interested in the intercooled version....nothing is set in stone but lets get the ball rolling.

 

There is interest trust me...Anymore specs?

 

not really right now me and mat are just tryring to get the public to stand up and say ya we want this please produce it.....then after there is enough people to say they want it i email the web link to jim bell and he reviews and produces it.all the specifics havent been worked out but i really want this to take off.it cant do anything but benifit us as consumers.and hell low to mid 400 on a stock motor.

 

I am in!

I think maybe changing the title of the thread would help. I wasn't exactly sure what it was about from the title., I was thinking you were wondering if one existed. Maybe something like 'who would buy an Intercooled kb setup for a 5.0'

I am sure there is interest!

 

back a few years ago this was a thread on an old kenne bell dedicated site. jim knows we're here and have had many members and customers contact him on the topic. but to no avail nothing has come about. ask matt how many dedicated people would be needed to mov this project and then go from there.

 

absolutely....i would love this kit....but if jim bell decides to dissregard the wants of the consumers then ill be in touch with 92 rohcp and mike to complete my air 2 air kenne bell and my bud has a performance shop and has agreed to help fab and market this....so 94-95 guys we will use my car to build off of and he has a fox so we got the 5.0 crowd covered.but i hope jim finally gives in.

 

scrap this idea...i spoke with TJ from kenne bell and he said that jim wants to see 600 guaranteed buys the first year and 4 to 500 every year after that to make it worth doing.he also said that jim bell does extensive work on product research and he has given this 5.0 intercooled blower its due attention and has dismissed the idea because there isnt the buyers to support the r&d(research & development)...so the 5.0 crowd is on their own...looks like alot of us are gonna be biting off 92rohcp.

 

I figured they wouldn't build it, oh well How many hundreds of thousands of 5.0's are out there? There has to be a market.

Thank god for innovative people like 92rohcp, I will be buying his kit when it goes to market

 

its so sad that people like jim bell who ultimately control what we want wont give it to us.he wants guaranteed money.and there is no guarantee....but im sure beyond any shadow of any doubt he would make good money building the intercooled set up....but hey..pride before the fall...and a ton of arrogance.

 

unfortuantely he should of done this a long time ago, its way to late, every one has moved on to bigger and better

 

I will definitely be air to air intercooling my KB in the Ranger based off of 92rohcp's setup, thanks 92rohcp for the great documentation and details on your build. I agree with slow87GT on this one, I think it is too late for us 5.0 guys for a manufacturer produced intercooler setup.

 

I think there is a lot of interest out there for an intercooled 5.0 KB setup like mine, I've had many ask me to build one for them. I will be starting on my first project since mine for Clint Garity the designer of Binery Editor for his 85 GT. Clint sent me an upper KB manifold to fabricate the outlet, inlet and blockoff plate in the middle of the manifold. The problem is its complicated to build one for someone else as there are a lot of clearance issues that need to be measured with the manifold KB bolted to the lower intake, using clay you can get all the tolerances right to make sure the kit fits under a stock hood and clears other engine components. Also the cool side pipes on the passenger side of the engine bay will have to be cut by the end user because of differences like cars with smog pump would have to be routed throught the fender well and out the stock air intake hole, mine was routed from below because I have no smog pump and that made clearance there possible. Its a big job to fab this all by hand in a garage, the labor is extensive when you don't have access to real good mechining and cutting equiptment. Anyway I would like to see more of these on the road, but I'm sure Jim Bell will have nothing to do with it. I sent him numerious emails with pics and links to my project and he never even responded. He didn't even care that my KB A2A car made it in 5.0 magazine so its no suprise to me that we are on our own.

 

I think there is a lot of interest out there for an intercooled 5.0 KB setup like mine. I've had many ask me to build one for them.

i was going to do the same thing your speaking of...me and my friend shawn were going to reproduce your kit for both the 94-95 and the 86-93 stangs.but when i spoke to matt at kenne bell he said the flowzilla inlet is 750 bucks and then the cost of piping with good pipe and a good intercooler...not that yours wouldnt do.just most buyers want a name brand cooler,and by the time your done your into the kit for 1100 1200 bucks and then a little on top to make a couple of bucks for the time and effort you spent on the build and fabrication and you should be at or over 2 grand....and most people wont spend 2 grand on an upgrade...so it leaves us all screwed with not much for options.:livid:and now you got boost brothers coming out with good affordable street minded turbo kits...cheaper and easier to make crazy hp with...i want a kb more than anything but i got matt and tj at kenne bell saying because i live in vegas with 120 degree summers that i can only run 6psi safley without meth and ill make 300 rwhp.not quite worth 3100...considering h/c/1 combos make that for about 1000 bucks less.so whats a guy to do.

 

Yeah... early on I thought of trying to make some kits and sell them, but soon came to the same conclusion you did. For the money and time it would take to make a kit it wouldn't benefit me unless I did it on a large scale selling many units and then I would need to sell big. And thats why I think this will remain a very interesting and fun DIY project for those who love thier KB's. I imagine we will see more of these pop up here in the future. Thats the reason I shared my project here in hopes that others could have fun making there own KB fly. And my thanks again to Mike AKA Buonosuperchargedcobra for planting this seed.

 

guys i would have loved for one of you guys to come out with a kit that would be end-user friendly. but like stated the overhead on a project like this in hopes of a profit would be heartbreaking. i too give props to Mike aka Buonosuperchargedcobra and Shawn aka 92rohcp for doing thier part in the leg work. but also i have to give it to Jon Geiser. he doesnt post on any of the forums, but has shared his info with a few who were truly interested in intercooling kb setups. he was the first to do an i/c setup on a sn95 gt in 1999. his car made the cover of mm&ff in 2000. and even made some waves here in mikes thread. he used an air to water setup and with minimum mods was deep in the 11's. when we talked he told me how he had planned to put some kits together for the kb pushrod crowd, but was contacted by Jim Bell and two lawyers and was told that if he did he would be sued. he ran jim thru the ringer on how he fabbed his own inlet and outlet and that nothing kenne bell was being re-engineered. jim didnt want to hear it, and still said he would go after him. at any rate i have copies and photos of Jon's setup and havent had the time to finish this setup. but now seeing 92rohcp's i can save alil coinage on fabrication and do what he did. but i still plan on doing the air to water setup. when i get a chance i'll post up the photos of Jon's setup. some of the older member will remember the setup, and how nicely done it was. i'll post up pics of his again when i get in my storage and scan 'em. anyhow the reason for the story is if you do start making kits, make sure you patent the idea and maje sure your not infringing anyhow or anyway towards kenne bell. cya(cover your a**)

 

Wow, JB sounds lime an a-hole.

What grounds would he have to sue?

It would be different if he had the balls to actually make the kit himself, but why prevent someone else from doing what you ahold have done in the first place?

I would be willing to spend $2k onthe upgrade if here was one.

 

though ive never talked to him personally it seems that way. and like i stated, jon went into detail about what was said, but in the end it was enough to detur jon from fabbing these up. oh and by the way jon is a cnc machinist, who worked on this during his lunch breaks and spare time.

 

you know this truley sucks......this #### nutt jim bell has the nutts to say he will sue someone that takes the initiative to do what hes to chicken #### to do in the first place...we the comsumers have asked for some time for him to step up to the plate and build this for us and we would buy from him...so he chooses not to and threatens someone else for doing what hes to lazy to do..wow know we get a glimps into why kenne bells tech sucks....to cheap to hire more people to help us...sorry the tech line doesnt line your pocket.maybe i will go turbo.his own people have told me that he doesnt care about us(the 5.0 crowd)he is focused on the gt500,and 03-04 cobra crowd,so if anyone decides to sell their intercooled design do it on the down low.ide hate to see any of you get jacked up for helping the rest of us out.

 

his own people have told me that he doesnt care about us(the 5.0 crowd)he is focused on the gt500,and 03-04 cobra crowd

Here's the problem with that logic(and a quick internet search got these numbers so don't nit pick them)...

There were approximately 468,000 5.0s produced between 87-93.

There were approximately 19,200 '03-'04 Cobras produced and 23,000 '07-'09 GT500s produced for a total of 42,200 units.

If Jim Bell is willing to engineer products for 42,200 cars, then assuming over 90% of the 5.0s have been scrapped(which we know is not true) then there would still be a viable market for this sector.

jim wants to see 600 guaranteed buys the first year and 4 to 500 every year after that to make it worth doing.

Assuming a paltry 15% of the 42k 5.0 market would run a KB blower he would be producing/selling these kits for another 12 years at that pace!

Plus, he wouldn't be developing from scratch but rather adding on to his existing design. His economics do not add up.

when we talked he told me how he had planned to put some kits together for the kb pushrod crowd, but was contacted by Jim Bell and two lawyers and was told that if he did he would be sued.

Additionally, If there's no profit to be made in an aftercooler kit why would there be a reason to sue?? (sounds like A Few Good Men..."if your men always follow your orders then why would Santiago have to be transferred?")

Either way Jim Bell doesn't give two sh*ts about the 5.0 crowd, plain and simple. After a few of my own frustrating phone calls I stopped f*cking with those guys years ago! The tech line stays busy...which means they're understaffed, you get inconsistence service/answers or an arrogant attitude when you do get through and he charges you out the @ss for replacement or upgraded parts. Bottom line, somebody has found away to improve on his product and that chaps his @ss, because in his mind no one can out engineer or out test him. That arrogance carries over in the fact that most have found very little customer appreciation from Kenne Bell and his close-minded reponses to a very interesting product idea are not surprising.

Nice try though "dragon"!!

...kind of reminds me of when I contacted Bruton Smith's office about 8 years ago on why there's a market for a dragstrip at his Lowes Motor Speedway. I received a reponse from his director of marketing stating "we've found the economics don't justify building a drag strip". The only difference is today stands Zmax dragway at LMS...which I believe is the only all concrete 1/4 mile in the country and the only 4-lane dragstrip in the world!

Later guys!

 

I think the only way you could get around it is to do an exchange service with those who have a KB already. Have them send you their manifold like I'm doing for someone now and work on it. As soon as you start advertising for a kit and using thier name in anyway they will shut you down with legal threats. They have the capital and upper hand as well to make it menacing ordeal. And you'll never get parts from them if they know what you're doing in the first place. If someone was serious about this like mark007 said get a patent for it then fabricate an upper intake so they could cut out KB completely and sell it without anything needed from KB.

 

I think the only way you could get around it is to do an exchange service with those who have a KB already. Have them send you their manifold like I'm doing for someone now and work on it. As soon as you start advertising for a kit and using thier name in anyway they will shut you down with legal threats. They have the capital and upper hand as well to make it menacing ordeal. And you'll never get parts from them if they know what you're doing in the first place. If someone was serious about this like mark007 said get a patent for it then fabricate and upper intake so they could cut out KB completely and sell it without anything needed from KB.

ya getting a patent would be the way to go...but for now its just a bunch of guys trying to help one another. i hope jims sales plumet.

 

lots of us gen 1 lighting owners wanted a intercooled kit... we where gonna build one,and market it to our group of owners..that quickly got canned when they discountiued the kb kits for gen 1 s all together.

 

It is not only 5.0 mustangs that would benefit, don't forget about the cougars, thunderbirds and others that all share the engine. Also, if they created this kit it would work on the 94+ 5.0's as well, so we are talking probably over a million 5.0's.

 

But look at the 5.0 crowd nationwide. How many of them have decent paint, let alone $5k to spend on a kb.

The bottom line is business sense. KB is in business to make money so their employees can live. If we 5.0 owners had money coming out of our ears then KB would risk the development costs of the new kits. We don't so he isn't going to.

Of course if ten or so guys put some money together and contracted KB to build some kits, maybe they would do it.

 

not gonna happen,tj from kenne bell said jim wants 600 guaranteed buyers..well we all know 600 guys aren't gonna line up as guaranteed buyers just so jim bell feels better about building this kit..so bottom line is i tried like hell to make it happen for us and jim shot it down like a scud missile over Iraq.:hammer:i so hoped he would see the potential and go for it..but back to the drawing board.

 

well,92rohcp and mike aka bonospeedcobra i believe the screen name is dont seem to care about us using their design...we all have had the idea to intercool this blower and the potential it has,but they put it into action and made it reality for us..im sure if they had an issue with us using the design they wouldnt have been answering so many pm's about the specifics of the build.and its jim bell who want to sue the people who want to make this all easier ...so if i fab this into a kit for us to use and market it the he sues me...but he wont make it for us so we can buy from him......sounds like BULLCRAP.

 

So use a Whipple. They will license out their s/c's for 3rd party kits.

I have some good ideas of how to mount a Whipple or Lysholm twin screw
on Windors after seeing 92rohcp's mod.

Would not take much to do with access to a good CNC lathe and an aluminum welder.

 

Yesss..... I love to see the gears turning on this idea. I'll support anyone who commits to build this kit for themselve or others. Like I said above my goal here was to share my idea with other mustang enthusiast, thats why I made this link http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1125365 Two others have since made their A2A kits based on my DIY thread and they are both running as far as I know. I still think this will be very difficult to manufacture for others on a large scale without access to like r.barn said a CNC mechine or means to fabricate the hole upper. I am gearing up again with some better tools this time for my second KB A2A project for a friend. Should be much easyier the second time around and maybe I'll just get to like it enough to make another and another

 

just please be careful...doesn't sound like jim will be very forgiving if any of us are nice enough to build for someone else.even though it wont be for monetary gain.

 

there is nothing he can do if you build for yourself..just when you build and sell for someone else you run into all the legal crud.cause its his manifold your building off of and selling a product involving and using his manifold and blower.don't get me wrong,,jim is a great manufacturer of blowers for our cars and others but its sad we have to do this on our own.i sure wish he would reconsider...we could all benefit.

 

Ive bugged Matt and TJ both about this for the last year now. I think they should manufacture a intercooler kit and 8 rib pulleys. I'd sell my blowzilla/flowzilla 2.2l and purchase the new designed kit... I'm in too... Matt

 

ya but we all know now that its going no where with jim bell.so we are gonna have to fab it up for our selves.i too would love jim to run with this and fab it up as an 03-04 cobra kit air to water kit with a 2.8 as matt has said, but mmmmmmm not gonna happen.

 

I really think modd'ing in a water/air intercooler onto a 2.1L Fox kit
would not be that hard.

It would be tight, but there looks to be enough room to hack
up the discharge plenum that goes down to the lower intake manifold
and put a water/air cooler core in there.

a 4" X 4" X 11" core should fit in there and support 600-700hp and still
look like a stock KB to the casual glance.

https://www.dwperformance.com/kommerce_productdetail.aspx?item=GAR717874-6008

 

ive already aquired my parts to do this. should have it done by late november or early december. heck remaking jim's blower bracket was easier than thought. so this shouldnt be hard either.