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China rail tricks?

6.1K views 22 replies 16 participants last post by  venomv8  
#1 ·
So Im having the common china rail leaking issue and cant figure out why its happening. I had to take the intake off my car a couple weeks ago and when I out it back on Ive had a leak out of the drivers side rear right on the corner. Took it back off and put even more ultra black in the corner plus made sure there was plenty (probably more than necessary) on the rail. Let it sit the past few days and cure and low and behold its leaking again out of the same exact place. It wasnt leaking at all before I pulled the intake, yes I made sure to clean everything very well where surfaces looked brand new. It also appears there is plenty of rtv squishing out. Ive done this TONS of times and never had one leak after doing it this way. Figured I'd ask if anyone had any tips or tricks I may not know about. My method was:
Clean all surfaces, put black rtv around coolant passages, use felpro 1262S-3 gaskets and ultra black on both front and back china rails making sure to cover the corners meeting the gasket.

Basically it has a slow dripgoing from
The corner down the bellhousing. Thanks
 
#2 ·
From the sounds of it you did everything correct. The only thing is missing is the use of alignment studs when you lowered the intake. If you didn't use them, when you lowered the intake, did you have to move it a little to get the bolt holes to line up? If yes, that might disturb the RTV enough to cause a leak. Did you confirm that it's not the valve cover gasket leaking?
 
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You know, now that you mention it, that may be one issue I didnt think of. I dont use alignment studs. Im not saying it was off or sliding around, but Im sure it wasnt dead nuts on setting the intake on leaning over a fender. When I bolted it down Im sure it moved a little forward or back more than likely as I cant exactly look right over the engine to ensure its 100%. Im going to put a stud in the front and back holes to align it this next time, hopefully its that easy but figured Id ask as Ive never had an issue before, let alone twice in a couple weeks. The second time I felt I was very thorough and it still leaked. I know its not the parts as its been perfect previous tome taking i take off.
 
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Hello venomv8, I used this trick once and had good results.

You take your lower intake and flip it, take a hole punch and punch a line of holes along the china rail.

Do the same for the engine block.

When you lay the RTV and set the intake, the RTV will sink into the holes you made, making for a stronger seal.
 
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#10 · (Edited)
The alignment studs do help a lot. I've only done intake installs using studs and using studs to drop the intake down does make lining everything up very easy.

I don't typically do the rails in RTV only. What i've been doing lately is using the explorer style intake gasket set that comes with the blue silicone end pieces rather than the cork. I only put a dab of black RTV in the corners and then use studs to drop it down and torque in sequence. Been fine like this.
 
#11 ·
Studs are a life (or RTV) saver.
I actually just use 2 studs. One in front right corner and one in left rear corner. You could do one at each corner, but really don't need more than 1 on each side to get the lower intake to drop down straight.
 
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A note I learned from Woody, is adding silicone to the angle edges of the china rails that the heads don't 'clamp' too. Ideally you would do this when building an engine before placing the head gaskets and heads on.

Your slow leak sounds like you might have a small leak in the area indicated below. Best you can do is clean that area from the outside and seal it with some good sealant. In my place of work (OEM transmission and axle company), we use Loctite 5699 and it will seal anything. Leagues better that your local auto-parts store. Get a reusable canister for $17 on amazon.

My additional notes for china rail install, is to scuff it good with 36 grit paper and clean it well. Like so clean you would lick it, sober...

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Are you certain it is the intake and not the corner of the head? Is there any RTV in the corner of the head, or possibly a tiny bit of remaining RTV at the head / block?

As others have said, studs are mandatory, use 4, the Ford or Toyota RTV (I have a buddy that is a Lexus mech), nice thick single bead, don't let the RTV skin over (you want it sticky) have someone help you lower the intake (1 person at each fender) and torque the intake 3 different times over the first 30 hours, then put the upper on.
 
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I agree with cornman. After a couple unsuccessful attempts of re sealing my intake for a rear leak I decided to remove the intake one more time. Instead of doing it the right way and removing the heads to apply rtv I took a drinking straw and slid it in between the back of the head and china rail and used a pressurized can of ultra black to force rtv in and slowly pulled the straw out as I was still applying rtv. Filled the gap up perfectly and didn't leak anymore. My head gasket was a little too short though and didn't go to the end of the rail like stangjumper was explaining. Next time I definitely won't forget to rtv that spot before putting the heads on.