Send them some $$$ and they will recommend one LOL.

 

How much do they charge?

 

Ok let's get his straight. You are worried about gas mileage in a 351 that has every mod u can do to a motor? I just don't get people like this. You should go buy a prius hybrid and be done with it. If gasmileage is that important to you then u have made bad decisions in life. Gas isn't anything I budget. If u get a better job gas mileage won't matter.

 

I think you missed the point I was getting 200km on a 15 gallon tank of gas. No Im not concerned with gas mileage to the point I'd not even do this swap, but I do want better mileage then 7-8 miles per gallon which is what I got from my last motor. This is a far cry from the 18-24 miles per gallon stock 5.0Ls get and even lower then my first 351W swap where I got 225km on a 13 gallon tank of gas. The difference then was the cam I used in the first motor was a mild rv cam with 204/214 duration.

 

Yeah, The cam you picked out is barely big enough for a stock 302..I'm glad you're going to let a professional grind a cam for you.

 

Something I have realized over the last 2 weeks is you really never get to talk to Ed or Jay. You send them your build sheet and they pick a cam profile that has already been previously designed by them. For some reason I thought they would "specifically" cut a cam to my combo BUT they just pick one of "their" designed cams that should work well with your combo. I have sent more than one email with questions and they never gave me the time of day. It just said send money and you'll get your cam in two weeks or whatever. The whole thing didn't feel right, I'd rather research and get 95% there and save money instead of hoping the grinder and I are on the same page. No bash on any of the custom cam guys here. If any of what I said is wrong then please enlighten me.

Drew

 

You really have no clue. Having dealt with Jay he is more than willing to discuss every aspect of your car, not just the valvetrain, until you are both on the same page. I talked to him in many emails and several phone calls and it was a great experience; I would definitely do it again.

As for picking "one of their previously designed cams," you should really not go throwing things like that out there when you dont have a clue.

 

So how is it a custom grind if they just pick one of their pre-made cams already? Even Comp does that and they aren't custom grinds. I'll stick with Comp Cams. Cheaper.

 

Because (as I understand) they have certain cam specs designed for specific setups. It's not like they sit and design an entirely new cam because joe blow has a h/c/i 351 that's been done 100 times before. You think you're going to get a "one off" cam for only 3xx dollars?? I wouldn't exactly trust the comp guys either, you talking to a cam guy or some kid?

 

You are partially right. I am sure they (cam designers) have different lobe profiles that can be used for many setups, but you can do a lot by moving the placement of the timing events and changing lift numbers. Optimizing timing and lift events for each head/intake/stroke setup (while using lobe profiles they are familiar with) is what makes the cam custom.

Although, I will add, this is my understanding of it.

 

Another cam designer to keep in mind is Buddy Rawls.

 

I see Ed and Jay have many Soldiers

 

Buddy Rawls specs you out a cam, correct? From there you can go anywhere that grinds cams and give them the specs....is this correct?

 

Both, buyer selects what to do
At least those where my options when i did buisness with him.

 

IF you are only getting 7-8 mpg you need to have someone tune it. The cam is not the reason for the milage. My 408 running 3000 down the highway got 15. This is with a very loose 5800 converter.

Tim

 

The cam you have picked is small but will work fine. IMO just give Rick Anderson a call and he will tell you what one of his cams will work best with your combo for FREE. Just have to purchase his Billet Hyd cam & Springs that match. One stop shop! Oh BTW dont be suprised when Rick himself answers the phone.

 

x 2 what nutzz said

 

If you want to save some money, download Comp's Camquest6 program.

 

People post their custom cam specs all the time, and I have never once seen some else say they have the exact cam? Maybe you don't have all your facts straight on that assumption?

 

Only time i seen people post there cam specs or cam card is when they are trying to sale it. There are only so many 302,306,331 & 347 combo's that are so different.

 

I haven't seen many custom cam specs....?

 

For the street you want a shorter duration cam to give lots of low end torque and keep mileage in check. There is a reason why auto manufacturers didn't go too wild in the cam when making stock motors. I think too many people build motors for top end horsepower, not low to mid end torque. I still think the cam I chose fits the needs I have picked out. I want a torque monster NA engine, not a top end screamer.

 

I think you will see good mileage with that combo but a custom tune for your car will go a lot further than picking a small cam for your motor to get better fuel economy. I am not trying to bash you at all I would just suggest you PM some of the custom tuners on this forum as well as the custom cam guys. You can have the best of both worlds with your car.

 

just keep asking, eventually somone will crack and help you pick an awsome cam. I was going back and forth thru emails with a memberr off here adna fter two weeks he found me a great cam. I made a thread about ti and buddy rawls stumbled in and explained exactly why the cam would work well with my combo

 

I would just get a comp I got my 276 from Summit for $240

 

off the shelf cams are garbage, for about 50 bucks more then a ots cam you could have one that will actully work! buddy rawls has done a few for me with great success

 

i highly doubt the 1000's of people that have OTS cams have them "not work"

Custom Cams are nice. But if you do your own research, learn how timing events, lift and duration all come in play with the rest of your combo, Im sure you could get a pretty decent OTS cam. If you want something precise, then go custom for sure

 

OTS cams are good if you are buying used. I got the cam in my sig for $150 and my motor makes over 300whp with box stock RPMs and a ported Cobra.

If/when I ever do a big stroker build I will for goddam sure get a custom though.

 

I'm talking to buddy right now about a custom cam, I like that we can actually exchange emails and discuss things. IIRC he charges 35 to spec a cam, don't quote me on that though.

 

How do I get a hold of him?

 

I just went through this on Hardcore50.com with another person. Rather than rewrite it all, I'll just cut and paste.


The “system” used to get through all the Email inquiries and package quoting is pretty simple. The first priority is with those customers who have sent in their payments for our products and services. After all, these are the people who are actually paying the bills to keep this business running on a daily basis. I will then tackle the requests for information or pricing and those are handled on a first in, first out basis. Though every attempt is made to answer as many requests as humanly possible during the day, the time required is very limited because of existing customer orders that must be filled. That’s why I prefer to do this in the early mornings, before the day’s schedule in the shop gets too filled up.

When I provide an Email quote to a potential customer, the overall combination is checked and any “red flag” issues are covered during the first round of communication. Once a customer agrees to the pricing and lead times, the specifics of each package are designed and priced out in more detail. It is then up to the customer to decide if they wish to pursue purchasing the final product by sending in a payment and all the information on their project.

When payment is received, the customer’s package is then put in the work schedule and, as pieces are completed, they are shipped out. Those that do not send a payment are saved and stored in a "completed" file for a period of thirty days. In a perfect world, every customer request would result in an order and we would have quite the business, however this is not the case. Not everyone steps up to the plate and makes a purchase.

Sometimes, highly specific quotes take longer than consumers think it should, but I do my best to get them done. As you can imagine, we do get quite a few requests for all types of combinations every day, and I do take time to review each and every one. Though there are some who feel the response time is sometimes long, so far, the “system” appears to be working as there are a lot of completed orders making there way to our customers.

In spite of the fact it seems like there are just not enough hours in the day, and days in the week and weeks in the year to get all the orders processed, these orders do manage to go out the door to all our customers. Successful results from the use of our packages are well documented and because of that, the demand is very high. So, in order to consistently provide my customers with these successful combinations, it will require more time to get each and every one of these projects completed properly and shipped out. I can't spend all day on a keyboard.

I truly believe the end results our customers are obtaining are worth the time and effort. Results don't lie.

 

Hmm, I have done cam business with both Ed and Buddy, and both cams worked bodaciously in weird combos....and I have seen Ed for prolonged periods of time at once, so I can prove he exists.....