The world has changed and the USA EPA have come down hard on manufacturers making anything that bypasses emissions and any company selling these products. I have no Idea what is going on in Canada regarding emissions, but that is why you cant find anything made or for sale in the US.

Below are pics (looking in both directions) of BBK 2.5” Non Catted Exhaust with BBK 1-3/4 long tube headers back To DynoMax Super Turbo Mufflers - From many years ago. The fit up was pretty good, if you can find nice condition used items and they are not against the law in CA.

 

Long tube headers and non catted h pipe are legal in California?

 

So in other words I'm SOL lol

I kind of figured as much but was hoping someone had an inside on some custom stuff or a small shop that could make some, I've posted many ISO ads on facebook groups local for people selling their offroad pipes and nobody ever responds or answers, I guess with how scarce they are getting, everyone is holding on to them just in case :/

Some guy wanted to sell me a catted Magnaflow X for like $750 (he told me thats what he bought it for years ago and they're more expensive now so it's justified lmao)

 

I guess with how scarce they are getting, everyone is holding on to them just in case :/

Probably this. I had an old Pacesetter off-road H-pipe for sale for the longest time for $100 with no bites. When the EPA came down on exhaust, I stopped listing it and threw it in my attic along with a stock H-pipe. Who knows where we will be in 10 years so keeping my options open.

I currently run a Bassani catted X-pipe. I’m just not a fan of the smell, but otherwise it’s a nice peice and really didn’t knock the sound down much. Just expensive….

 

You could always get a muffler shop to make you one.

 

maybe if you know someone at the shop, or ask around and find one that doesn't mind the risk. They have even been going after little shops to the point that most of them will not even work on cars that do not have cats on them.

 

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Unfortunately no cats are against the law in Canada, I live in a small town and had a cop fist bump me for having dumps so I don't think they care too much.

In other news, I did find a company that makes offroad pipes, I called VRS and they said they no longer make the offroad pipes but sent the work off to LAR Performance so I'll be buying one of those.

 

Where in Canada are you located?

Cat deleting is not against the law in all provinces.

Building an off-road pipe (H or X) custom or even adding high flow catalytic converters are both fairly simple to do or have done.

 

Plus 1 for LAR. A friend bought a pipe from them recently. It was well made and fit great.

 

There's a few smaller shops making them and some old inventory floating around but pretty much on you own finding them. Not many will risk still advertising it as a bolt in year specific part.... Can blame the roalling coal dips its for the crack downs.

You can get cheapy ceramic cats and not really hurt performance these days though, if the brick burns out oh well..

 

 

Ed, Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The closing of track after track, the heavy fines the EPA has been dishing out to manufacturers and retailers, and most telling; the sale of Jegs by the Coughlin family after themselves being heavily fined by the Feds is pretty telling where the performance industry is heading, straight to the grave.

 

The only good " Rolling Coal " story was when the blonde twit pulled out in front of the truck in her convertible, he almost hit her, then she flipped him the bird as she sped off....
Guess who was tailpipe height at the next stop light..... I guess her white interior is now brown.....

 

5.0 sbf doesn’t seem as popular with the younger guys. i know as I got older I cannot stand the smell of an off-road exhaust. I can‘t believe I used to go to work smelling like a catless fox. 25 years ago, I drove my off-road h-pipe with b cam and supercharger to work everyday, never again haha. Back when 460 hp was fast.

 

My mom won't let me in the house unless I shower after driving my car lol but its alright, still need to work on the HP number to make the smell worthwhile but I still love my car.

As far as I'm concerned my 317whp fox is car lengths faster than my buddy's "408 whp" civic si so its enough for me haha

 

Lol are you guys serious we can't talk any politics on this forum??? I hope thats only the states I want to talk **** about trudeaus carbon tax

 

right before the epa went nuts I had a cat go out on my magnaflow mid that I was lucky enough to pick up probably 15 years earlier without single dent on it, never hooked up for only $100 when they were going for $350 back then. I was curious what it would sound like without cats and didn't want to pay the price so I got a bassani offroad mid. With the side exhaust I found that it was just a tad louder than I wanted it to be with the cut outs closed. When I opened up the cut outs I called it airplane mode since all your departures were announced as that was just way too loud for a streetcar and the smell at some lights if the wind was right had me rolling the windows up as it just blew right in. About the time I decided I wanted to add cats I found someone on marketplace selling some aftermarket high-flow cats that were brand new never used and he only wanted $150 for them. After that I was happy with the sound and smell but maybe a year later when offroad pipes were starting to disappear I almost felt bad but again I am happy with the sound and the price in the end.

 

I got old I guess. Too damn loud without cats and too stinky. New aftermarket catted H/X are like $600, can find used ones for $200-300 or find some kid to trade that thinks he's going to gain 25hp.

I have also had muffler shops refuse to even put my car on a lift because of having no cats. I wouldn't want a local shop to make me one, they would all use press-bent aluminized metal with their crappy welds. I'd be afraid to see what a shop would charge for a mandrel bent stainless one with nice welds!

 

I got old I guess. Too damn loud without cats and too stinky. New aftermarket catted H/X are like $600, can find used ones for $200-300 or find some kid to trade that thinks he's going to gain 25hp.

I have also had muffler shops refuse to even put my car on a lift because of having no cats. I wouldn't want a local shop to make me one, they would all use press-bent aluminized metal with their crappy welds. I'd be afraid to see what a shop would charge for a mandrel bent stainless one with nice welds!

next thing you know you will be wearing new balance shoes(guilt already).

I have heard these stories of shops flat out REFUSING to do anything on cars without cats. Makes me wonder how much longer the aftermarket ecu's will be legal.

 

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That thing is on the West Coast, It will prolly cost you more to ship it than buy it LOL.

 

I always ran quiet mufflers (DynoMax Super Turbos) as I couldn‘t stand the drone of the straight through stuff, but my blowers were louder than the exhaust. LOL.

 

You can easily fabricate a nice off road pipe setup because all of the mandrel bent pieces and ball style connectors are readily available from Summit.

When I was a young 'un I remember many a brand spanking new Fox body coming home from the stealership and going right on the jack stands for an off road pipe install. Most cars didn't get filled up with their second tank of gas with the factory cats still on. In defense of all of those young climate change denying hooligans, the factory cats and H pipe were trash and could have been made to exist much better with performance mods if Ford wanted them to.

 

When I was a young 'un I remember many a brand spanking new Fox body coming home from the stealership and going right on the jack stands for an off road pipe install.

Yup. The Ford Motorsport catalog has a factory export pipe sold under the Motorsport part number. I'll have to dig out my catalog but I think it was 2.25" with same ugly bends, but still...it was there for purchase.

Everyone I knew bought a fox and ordered up an off-road pipe within the first weekend of purchase. So many stock H-pipes got chopped up and snuck into the trash for pickup. Somehow I ended up with 2-3 of my buddies pipes. Kept the best one and actually sold the others not too long ago.

 

I know my dad always talked about guys at his school getting foxes and the first thing was an offroad x and a "superchip" (for extra power of course) I think its funny being in highschool now (well just graduated but still) that as much as things change, they still stay the same. Now instead of superchipping a fox I got to enjoy everyone's straight piped Mazda 3 with an obd2 performance chip lol

 

A few years ago, I would back up this

car to the outside ( Florida) venue where we had some cold ones and EVERYONE complaiined about the " gas " smell.....
Reminded me of my Youth...... LOL

 

EVERYONE complaiined about the " gas " smell.....

Thing is, i've always liked the gas smell coming from classics that predate the EFI cars. Get behind one on the highway and take a whiff and it's somewhat nostalgic and pleasant. No i try not to inhale too much, but generally it's not overwhelming.


I got behind a BMW the other day that had a cat and muffler delete and couldn't change lanes fast enough. The fumes were overpowering on an already hot day.

 

Lol.....damn y'all some old farts🤣. I'm 49 and still DD my 86 coupe with longtubes and offroad Hpipe. Wouldn't have it any other way!

 

I wanna be like this guy when I grow up

 

The EPA ruling by regulation and picking and choosing is an entirely different conversation. But as far as off road mid pipes - if it's about just sound that's one thing. But performance wise, this isn't 1990 - technology has greatly improved. This is a golden age of hot rodding. Want to go buy a new car with the latest radio / entertainment tech, factory line lock, AC, comfy interior and 400+ HP? They are everywhere.

Lots of people talk about missing the 'good old days' - no thanks. Styling of the older cars in many cases? Absolutely. But cork gaskets? Solid flat tappet cams that sounded like a diesel tractor when you didn't set the valve lash every five minutes? Spending run after run at the track getting the carb jetting right, only for the weather to change and screw it all up? I'll take EFI, a wideband, a computer and a dyno please. Setting points? Especially aftermarket dual point distributors? I still have flashbacks. Four wheel drum brakes? I won't even mention quality control back then.

I know people don't like to hear it, and let's be clear I LOVE the old musclecars and have owned / fixed up a bunch. The vast majority weren't anywhere near as fast as we remember them, especially compared to modern cars, and I'm not even talking modern performance cars.

Turns out as manufacturers learned how to make IC engines more efficient to meet emissions standards, they realized that higher efficiency, a more complete burn of air/fuel, resulted in not only cleaner emissions - it resulted in more power.

You can buy affordable aftermarket cats that will not impede flow. On a correctly tuned car, deleting modern cats isn't worth much power at all, if any. I've personally witnessed the side by side dyno comparisons. I love loud exhaust. I just hate drone. And to be honest, if a lot of people who love the sound of their car's exhaust (while driving it) could hear what other people hear from outside their car, they'd probably hate it - that happened to me.

I bought my '04 GT not because it's fast (it's horribly slow compared to even my former '17 Mustang 3.7 6 speed with gears, the comparison to the '19 GT 6 speed I sold last year isn't even worth talking about, it's fun to drive. It FEELS faster than my '19 GT. It's easy and cheap to work on - as long as I don't focus on trying to eek out every last HP from the 4.6. Plus I always loved Comp Orange.

Get a pre welded x union and buy some mandrel bent exhaust pieces and a pair of aftermarket small profile cats. Better yet, find a good exhaust shop. They exist. Buddy of mine had my exhaust guy replace his off road pipe in his Mustang with a piece, with aftermarket cats, that that the shop built and it picked up power - not dropped it.

 

This is a golden age of hot rodding. Want to go buy a new car with the latest radio / entertainment tech, factory line lock, AC, comfy interior and 400+ HP? They are everywhere.

Lots of people talk about missing the 'good old days' - no thanks.

You just don't get it, and are probably too young to ever understand.
Back in the day, virtually everyone drove a RWD V8 powered car. Virtually every car on the road was a potential hotrod... AND you had the freedom to do with them as you pleased. Those with true skills rose to the top. Idiots with money/credit cards didn't tend to last very long.

Nowadays, yea... If you have $70k to drop on a car you can have all that stuff built in. You can be a mechanical idiot, but as long as you know how to work a cell phone/touch screen you can go pretend to be a bad ass. Of course, if you want to do any upgrades, you'll likely take it to a shop for someone else to do the 'hard part'... and likely go back every time you make a change in order to adjust the tune.

When it comes to street cars, it's become a game of dollars where very few people do any significant work on their own cars. In the past, this was not the case. Back then, there were a LOT more people into the hobby, and a lot more turning their own wrenches changing cams, headers, intakes, engines, clutches, converters, etc.

If you can go buy a brand new Hellcat, Shelby, etc... Great. Just don't expect anyone to actually respect you unless you're doing the actual work... as you're just a rich guy with a toy.

 

The old "build versus buy" issue...

 

Funny hearing people complaining of fumes when driving catless cars. I've got two daily driver mustangs, ones a 4.88/T5 car, the other is a 4.56/ T5, both have longtubes, 3" X-pipe and dumped at the axle, no bad smell when cruising, or at stoplights. Maybe you need to get your cars tuned up right.

 

I didn't go there. That was a thing when most cars that were being modified didn't have cats at all. It's how I learned back in the day to tune QJets - because people tossed them for Holleys and later Edelbrocks. Several years I ago, I was at a car show with a friend (swap meet) and a guy was showing off a SUPER nice 68-69 Charger. BEAUTIFUL car. He cranked it up and I could SMELL it was running pig rich. We ended up talking to him, he bought it by my buddy's shop at the time, and we used a simple, adaptable tailpipe sniffer to show him how rich is was running, and how it was costing him power. After a few hours of tuning it - he picked up considerable power on his next dyno trip.

 

I still remember what I thought were the wickedest sounding cars back in the day... Cars with a lopey cam and quiet mufflers so you could hear the header noise....

 

One more thing, even if it is considered a political statement:
I urge everyone reading this thread to join SAN.....SEMA Action Network.
SAN keeps an eye on what the federal and state governments are doing to screw us, the auto enthusiasts.
They also lobby against the constant stupid crap the gv't tries to push on us. One example is it is SAN has (so far) been instrumental in the fight against the feds forcing E15 on us.
You will receive monthly email updates on what is going on at state and fed levels, and once in a while you'll receive an email where you can send canned emails to your state and federal reps voicing your opinion against issues.
It costs nothing to join and stay informed.

 

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