Stang+2 birds, first off I work for Pro-M racing and imo you are very neg. toward anything other than the tweecer. Do you get a kickback for each one sold or something? Myself and others on the Pro-M staff have worked very hard on getting the software and hardware for the shops and indviduals that want to burn their own chips. As far as my traning I am a Master tech. with Ford Motor Co., A.S.E., Cummins Diesel, Cat Diesel, and I am sure i have more time in school and various comp. classes than you have in all of your training (fromK-12 plus your fist year in law school)!! You are a first year law student, What does that have to do with computers or electronic design?? Nothing the last time I checked. Please keep you smart comments off any post that i reply to as i am just trying to help the people of this fourm gain an insight on how the eec works and when you decode an eec-iv much less the eec-v you let me know and then i might have respect for the comments that spew from your keyboard. And when you get done with the eec-v you can help me on the Power P.C. that is in the PTEC boxes that is quickly becoming the comp. of choice for Ford. Tim