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I was wondering if anyone knows if the DIYPNP will fit concealed in the stock kickpanel. I know it won't mount the same, as it's a bit thicker...but can you unplug the stock computer and fit the DIYPNP in the same area...plugging it back into the oem harness...and put the kickpanel back in place?
 

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Mine did not fit, housing too thick, see pics. Confirmed by DIYAutotune.
Mounted where you see it in pic, factory harness just reaches. Made custom "quick release" bracket/holder. Space inside kick panel is used for added relay & cabling & connectors for wideband. Wideband controller is mounted next to the ECU & is not on quick-release.
 

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Mine did not fit, housing too thick, see pics. Confirmed by DIYAutotune.
Mounted where you see it in pic, factory harness just reaches. Made custom "quick release" bracket/holder. Space inside kick panel is used for added relay & cabling & connectors for wideband. Wideband controller is mounted next to the ECU & is not on quick-release.
I wonder if there is difference in the kick panel design for different year cars? My 93 was a tight fit but it's in there for sure.
 

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I wonder if there is difference in the kick panel design for different year cars? My 93 was a tight fit but it's in there for sure.
Depends which PNP you have, DIY's are different from non-DIY's.
 

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Yours is not a DIYPNP, it's an MSPNP2 (or just PNP). Case (housing) is not the same. Compare the pic to mine, you can see the difference. Mine is maybe 1/4" thicker. There was nothing on DIY's website about it & didn't find out until it was assembled & ready to install & didn't fit & I emailed them & then they confirmed it. Let's just say, I was not happy.



BTW, title of this thread is: DIYPNP, Will it fit in stock location
Answer is NO.
 

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Yours is not a DIYPNP, it's an MSPNP2 (or just PNP). Case (housing) is not the same. Compare the pic to mine, you can see the difference. Mine is maybe 1/4" thicker. There was nothing on DIY's website about it & didn't find out until it was assembled & ready to install & didn't fit & I emailed them & then they confirmed it. Let's just say, I was not happy.



BTW, title of this thread is: DIYPNP, Will it fit in stock location
Answer is NO.

Ahhhh... Good to know.
 

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No mention of the freakin' case not fitting into the stock location.
DIYPNP Ford 60 pin EEC-IV Unassembled Kit DIYAutoTune.com

Only says this:
Ford 60 pin DIYPNP connectors are temporarily out of stock. This kit ships without the connector; you will need to salvage one out of a junkyard ECU.

& still says this below the above statement:
Complete kit contains everything you need to assemble a DIYPNP ECU for cars with the 60 pin Ford EEC-IV connector. Includes MicroSquirt module and case. Unlike most DIYPNPs, this kit includes a used connector.

It should have said this:
Includes MicroSquirt module and case which won't fit in the stock location.

& this farther down the list:
OEM ECU Connector to plug right into the factory harness!

Their documentation sucks. I even wrote an assembly & installation manual to help me with it. I was going to give it to them & they had no interest. I put the pdf file on the web. It's there until Comcrap eliminates personal web space on 10/8/15.
DIYPNPF60-K Manual Final, Rev.#1
 

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So I guess the question is, how much different are the sn95 kick panels from the fox body? Why the hell would the make a plug and play that doesn't fit the stock location? It would be easier to use a ms2 with the db cable and adaptor box to remote mount it...an extension cable for the Diypnp seems like it would be a major pita.
 

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If you remove the factory plastic bracket it still won't fit? I've got a MSPNP and it's slightly thicker than the factory ecu, though not quite as thick as the DIYPNP and I ended up just taking out the factory bracket to use the auxiliary connector on the top anyways. I used some industrial velcro and just stuck it back into the factory spot sans bracket. Getting the bracket out is a pain but doable if you're willing to remove the blower for the HVAC unit.
 

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FYI, the PiMP ECU will fit in the stock location and fit right into the stock ECU hanger since it uses a factory Ford ECU case.

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I would love to...however, I'm needing something that has the capability of accommodating a stepper IAC, as I plan on using a 4150 throttle body (I've read the diypnp has this ability using the extra db cable output and the proto area). You have mentioned that you have an adapter that can accomplish this...but were now getting up in a price range I'm uncomfortable with. My guess is, your board being a pnp doesn't have the proto area to be able to accomblish this.

I think a this point, I need to get the overall dimensions of the diypnp and just do a quick mock-up to see if it will fit. If it doesn't, I guess I'll have to go with the ms2 and the BOB to remote mount.
 

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So I guess the question is,
1. how much different are the sn95 kick panels from the fox body?
2. Why the hell would the make a plug and play that doesn't fit the stock location?
3. It would be easier to use a ms2 with the db cable and adaptor box to remote mount it...an extension cable for the Diypnp seems like it would be a major pita.
1. Don't know.
2. It's the same case for all vehicles, only the connector & 1 end panel is different. Inside the case are 3 circuit boards: Main Board & Microsquirt Module (both the same for all vehicles), Connector Board (different for every vehicle). The boards slide into rails inside the case. They are standard cases manufactured for years by many suppliers. The end panels have holes cut to supply individual needs. Obviously, no one thought about seeing if the case would fit in the stock location on a Fox Body.
DIYPNP - The Build It Yourself Plug and Play ECU! Megasquirt Kits / Assembled Engine Management Systems, Wideband o2 Sensor Systems and tuning products - DIYAutoTune.com
3. That would require mounting 2 boxes, instead of 1.

The big problem is that the Ford 60-pin connectors on the EEC-IV are no longer available, even from the salvage yards, which is where DIY was getting them from. Any they can salvage go to the MS2PNP.

I have a couple designs for a revised connector interface which would allow the use of the factory harness connector or an alternate without cutting anything. Out of 60 pins, 10 were spares & I used 1 for the wide band O2. Not enough pins on a DB-37. They do have d-sub 50's which were used for computer SCSI drives. You need a 60-pin (or greater) to do a 1-for-1, just to keep pinouts the same & confusion to a minimum.
 

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I would love to...however, I'm needing something that has the capability of accommodating a stepper IAC, as I plan on using a 4150 throttle body (I've read the diypnp has this ability using the extra db cable output and the proto area). You have mentioned that you have an adapter that can accomplish this...but were now getting up in a price range I'm uncomfortable with. My guess is, your board being a pnp doesn't have the proto area to be able to accomblish this.

I think a this point, I need to get the overall dimensions of the diypnp and just do a quick mock-up to see if it will fit. If it doesn't, I guess I'll have to go with the ms2 and the BOB to remote mount.
The Stinger uses the Microsquirt Module, same as the DIYPNPF60.
Looks like plenty of room inside the case for added features.
Add a perf board & do whatever you want.


You don't need dimensions, I told you it won't fit & gave pics to prove it. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine.
 

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I would love to...however, I'm needing something that has the capability of accommodating a stepper IAC, as I plan on using a 4150 throttle body (I've read the diypnp has this ability using the extra db cable output and the proto area). You have mentioned that you have an adapter that can accomplish this...but were now getting up in a price range I'm uncomfortable with. My guess is, your board being a pnp doesn't have the proto area to be able to accomblish this.

I think a this point, I need to get the overall dimensions of the diypnp and just do a quick mock-up to see if it will fit. If it doesn't, I guess I'll have to go with the ms2 and the BOB to remote mount.
The Stinger uses the Microsquirt Module, same as the DIYPNPF60.
Looks like plenty of room inside the case for added features.
Add a perf board & do whatever you want.


You don't need dimensions, I told you it won't fit & gave pics to prove it. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine.
It's my understanding the stinger uses all surface mount hardware and have no proto area, making it very difficult for any modifications. Again, for ease of installation I'd prefer to use it, but the Diypnp looks to be able to do it with a cheap mod in the proto area.

As for the fitment, are the kick panels the same in the fox and sn95s? If not, how can you be certain it won't fit in a 94?
 

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I can fit a full sized megasquirt in the kick panel of my 94. I haven't tried but I doubt I'd be unable to make the DIYPNP fit too. I don't have a fox anymore to compare but it could very well have less room.
 

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I can fit a full sized megasquirt in the kick panel of my 94. I haven't tried but I doubt I'd be unable to make the DIYPNP fit too. I don't have a fox anymore to compare but it could very well have less room.
Good to hear...so I do have hope!

Does anyone have the overall size of the Diypnp?
 

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DIYPNPF60
7-1/2" L (6-7/8", not including mounting flanges or connector)
6-1/8" W
1-7/8" H

EEC-IV
6-7/8" (not including connector)
6-1/8" W
1-1/2" H
 
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