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I started this thread a while back and I never finished what I had to say. I needed to cool down a bit. I'm not sure if this is the correct sub forum to post this in so feel free to move it. Thank you.

I purchased a 347 short block from CHP. It vibrated from the start. Upon disassembly at 500 miles by a professional mechanic; various issues were found. The rotating assembly was off a total of 64ozs causing the imbalance and bad vibrations. It then came to light in the past few weeks that my harmonic balancer, flywheel and pressure plate I sent to CHP, was never used in the balancing process. The owner did admit this after months of going back and forth. Metal debris was found between the main bearings and caps. Main bearings were gouged and ruined. The thrust bearing was worn on one side as if it were never squared. The front cam bearing was gouged as if a tool had slid across it. Tobi at CHP stated that camshafts are sharp. That was his explanation for a bearing that should have been replaced. The mains had never been align honed and two caps were tapered. I was told by CHP that they only align hone an engine if it needs it. The bores were tapered upon inspection by my machinist as well. Maybe this explains the terrible oil consumption that the engine suffered from. It was also discovered that one of the head gaskets may have leaked and that is on me. I didn't check the head surface for trueness before installing. It was later discovered that my new AFR head gasket surface was .005"-.01" from true. The heads are now resurfaced. CHP consistantly brings up that the leaky head gasket could have bent rods and such. Very true but what does that have to do with their bad machining and balancing? I didn't complain to CHP that the head gasket leaked. I complained about the bad vibrations, machining and balancing. CHP attempts to railroad the facts at every turn.
Also; my new harmonic balancer rubbed the bottom bolt boss on the water pump. The rubbing between balancer and water pump is common place with aftermarket parts and some paint from the water pump transferred to the balancer. Google this rubbing and you'll be rewarded with many posts/threads discussing it. I was told by CHP that the slight rub damaged the balancer thus causing the vibration. The balancer is fine and being used on my newly rebuilt 347. I received the balancer rubbing excuse repeatedly until the Martin of CHP admitted that they had messed up the engine balance. That balancer rubbing was my bad but did not cause any damage to the engine. I also had an issue with two freeze plugs blowing. My mechanic did a cooling system pressure test as well as the blue die test to see if any combustion gasses entered the coolant. He found nothing. I'm still baffled why the tests showed nothing but I do believe the head gasket seeped as I never had to add coolant.

CHP offered to have me haul the engine from Phoenix to California so they could put it on an engine dyno. I would leave the engine there and drive back home. I would then drive back to California after the engine was repaired, pick it up and drive back home. Being such a long haul; I would have the expense of a hotel room during both trips along with fuel and meals. The other choice given to me by CHP was to strap the engine to a pallet and have a truck haul it there and back at my expense. Nearly $500.00 each way. My thought process is two fold. If CHP couldn't build the engine correct the first time; do I trust them to do it correctly the second time. I also considered the cost of the two options given to me by CHP. Ship it or drive it there....Both are not cheap alternatives. I was originally given the two alternatives by the employee who sold me the short block. I have all emails where I was asked to ship or haul the engine at my expense. I decided my money was best spent having a local and unbiased party re-machine the block and balance the rotating assembly. I was eventually contacted by Martin from CHP who argued and denied the whole mess even though I presented facts and photo documentation. I received a very condescending attitude. It was as if their employees could do no wrong. After months of email correspondence; CHP admitted partial fault and asked what I wanted. I asked for $1000.00 to cover the re-machining and balancing of the block/rotating assembly. This didn't begin to cover the [email protected] of the engine nor any other expenses that I paid out. At this point I was unaware that I was speaking to the "Boss" at CHP. The boss attempted to lowball me stating that they only charge $80.00 for a balance job to anyone who walks into the shop. I challenge anyone to find a shop that charges so little for a balance job that can take hours to do. At this point I was going back and forth with CHP on a fair settlement. The boss (Martin) then stated that their company's return policy differed from what I was told by Tobi and that I should have known this. So at this point; I'm suppose to know that an employee/salesman from CHP misquoted the correct return policy and that supposedly; I could have shipped the engine to CHP at no cost to me. The customer service staff is there to assist me; the customer. If you tell me that shipping or hauling the engine to CHP and back is going to cost me; I believe you. Who would know the policies better than the salesman?

I also provided the contact info of my local machinist to Martin at CHP. Martin refused to call the machinist to collect info on bore, crank and mains. I'm not a machinist and I sometimes could not explain how measurements were taken and what certain measurement values were. Martin had the chance but instead chose to insult my machinist on several occasions. I offered to have Martin or one of his reps inspect the block and it's parts at my machinist. Again; he ignored the opportunity.

CHP also enjoys railroading the actual issues by bringing up the fact that I called Tobi at CHP for advice on some elementary things. Now I've built a few engines in my 55 years but by no means am I a pro. I've asked plenty of questions here as well. CHP has chose to take those questions and spin them around to show that I didn't know what I was doing. What CHP doesn't tell you is that the engine was assembled by an ASE certified mechanic who is a award winning hot rod builder who has even been featured in magazine articles. I'm bragging but he is a very humble guy. I'm just curious by nature and bent Tobi's ear to satisfy my curiosity. Tobi was great to me up until the engine came apart and I sent photos of bad machining, metal debris from assembly, toasted bearings, pics of measurements being taken, etc....I took a bunch of pics that are undeniable evidence. I've saved every email and they often prove that CHP customer service are far from truthful. Tobi also attempted to railroad the issues in the beginning by stating that CHP/CPR did not build me a long block so they are off the hook if metal found it's way to the main bearings during head and intake install. I always get this defensive attitude from Tobi and Martin. If I exposed the engine to metal debris; how did metal debris get sandwiched between the main bearings and caps? That can only happen during assembly of the small block.

CHP/CPR also enjoy bragging how they build trophy truck engines and such and there is no way that their guys screwed up. I heard this over and over and in the end Martin from CHP/CPR admitted fault with the balance job and issues with the mains. He never apologized and I guess that really bothers me as I think it should.

I'm sorry that I've taken up the bandwidth but I've had enough of CHP/CPR's non-existent customer service. For those who may think I'm biased and such....I'm a repeat customer. I have another CHP 347 with the 5.315 rods and originally had the old Probe SRS 10666-030 pistons. I was very happy with that engine and it was just rebuilt to go into my son's car.

In the end; Martin offered me $707.00. I asked for $1000.00. Martin and I went back and forth via email for a couple of weeks. Martin's attitude pushed me to the point of considering a legal avenue and I told him so. His offer of $707.00 was pulled and here we are. Am I pig headed for not accepting Martin's offer after months of receiving the worst customer service ever? You betcha! It is the principle of the matter.

You are all free to judge me as you please, but I know in my heart that I have typed the honest truth here. I still have all of the photos, emails and damaged parts.

Buyer Beware folks. People deserve to know who provides great customer service and who doesn't. Somehow these companies get away with it. I'm so thankful that I sent the engine to a local party who is unbiased. To this day; my machinist does not know who built the short block originally nor did he ask. He did get a chuckle out of Martin's insults though.
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Wow, so much misinformation that one would think this was some sort of political post. As you can see, I don't have to hide my identity, in fact many many customers have my cell phone number so that I can help them further, not many people do that.

CHP sold you a shortblock with camshaft, we did not build a complete engine for you. The issues you had from the beginning were that freeze plugs were blowing out and we asked you to do a leak down and coolant pressure test because it seemed you were pressurizing the cooling system. You kept talking about how you have been working on engines for years and that there was no way you could make a mistake. During your build process you kept calling us for advice, which is fine with us but you did not seem to know a lot of engine building details. Now it was a friend who was building the engine? We did see the pics of it being finished outdoors in front of a garage, not really sanitary conditions for a build. I am sure your friend is a great mechanic and a nice guy but that does not qualify him to build engines. We have a mechanic at our shop and I would trust him with my brakes, clutch jobs, LSX or SBF swaps, setting up a fuel system but not to build my engines.

So your expert machinist could not give you or us main dimensions, piston to wall clearance or bore dimensions but he can tell you that the block was not within spec, seems fishy. You were also told that the reason your freeze plugs were blowing out was that they were concave from being slammed in too hard(EPC-30B freeze plugs are made that way) and that it was our fault the cylinders were rusted, maybe your forgot to tell them you improperly installed the head gaskets, maybe overheated the engine, I mean .005-.010 is huge on a head. It's amazing that you called very happy about the engine making 400+HP to the wheels with what your new machine shop says was improperly built. Funny that you want to downplay facts but engine builders with 2000HP plus dragsters and $500,000 Trophy Trucks not to mention thousands of Hot Rodders have come to use for machine work and builds, even with what you were TOLD about our work. Dampers rubbing a water pump or anything rubbing is never a good thing, google clearance water pump and you will see what knowledgeable people do. What is worse than a damper rubbing a water pump and loading the crank is coolant seeping from a leaky head gasket and trying and to compress it, damaging bearings and possibly bending rods. You saw the dark spots in the cylinders and said it was somethnig we did though any knowledgebale person would have known otherwise.

We have been doing this for many years and if you were sure the problem was with something we did, the engine should have come back as any reputable shop would have wanted. Seems the issues like freeze plugs, rubbing dampers, incorrectly installed head gaskets/maybe overheated engine, balancing, rusty cylinders, and who knows what else were things that you did not want us to see but simply pay for. Nobody is perfect, people make mistakes but you can't buy a tool from Snap On, take it to the Matco guy and try and have him warranty it, we tried and the Matco guy just tried to sell us on his torque wrench. You were asked to bring the engine here as there is no way we would know what is wrong with it but threatening us with bad reviews while not returning the engine seems strange.

Now you start attacking my character and saying we were essentially mistreating a customer? That is a bold face lie just like the one about the returns. You state that I asked you to bring/ship the engine to us which is true, then you state I did not tell you about our return policy and after that state you did not trust us with the build? So which one is it? Just too many contradictions to keep it straight.

You talk about principle, truth is by principle the engine should have come back, we are not some backayard shop but have 25+ builds going at any one time and not moving anywhere but forward so we have no reason to ignore customers.

We provide the best customer service we can before and after engine sales and there is a reason we have the business that we do
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I had a local guy give me his chp 347 shortblock that lasted only a few hundred miles.
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That does not really say much, you got a 347 that was probably on it's last legs for free.

Here are two perfect examples of "unbiased" third parties as the OP would have you believe. First pic shows a comp cam where the lifters have dug into the lobes and had a horrible ticking and the customer was told and assured that it was a failing piston pin, all we built was a shortblock, that is all. Cam was sent back to Comp for inspection and it was apparently defective heat treating. Second pic shows a piston that was destroyed by the tuner but this "unbiased" third party said it was our fault for the pistons and rings melting. I don't care what parts you put into a supercharged engine, if you lean it out it will melt. Luckily on both occasions the engines came back and were fixed, these are cold hard facts.

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I never said your friend could not build your engines, assembling your engine and being an engine builder are different things. I have no problem helping customers but if he was a qualified engine builder why did he/you need information on checking correct pick up to oil pan clearance, verifying pushrod length, etc? Reread what I said about our mechanic.

Look an EPC-30B freeze plug, we have a tool just for the freeze plugs and it was not damaged. You/your engine builder had coolant seeping into the cylinder and adding enough pressure to the system to blow freeze plugs. There is no grasping, you had a leak, you tried blaming us while it is obvious the installation/inspection was no good. I am attaching a picture below of the cylinders and witness marks where water sat for a while.

Oh yeah, I remember you saying they tested the blocks as is, nothing on torque plates and told you the cylinders were out of round, makes no sense to me but OK. I will stick to our dimensions, works for the 15+ engines we ship a month and even more blocks we machine for other builders.

Just about anything can be installed improperly but why ask me, you said you did not trust us.

Right, so it does not matter how many engines we build, that they have been race proven, only thing that matters is what you say, no thanks!

No, the location of the shop does not matter and neither how long they have been doing it. Some shops become stagnant and never grow for a reason yet we keep growing despite your accusations of our machine work and customer service.

Of course I remember the guide plate issue, you once again asked for my help, how could I not. One thing is obvious like a casting issue that is clearly visible, another is a solving a lot of small problems that cannot be diagnosed over the phone.

Eric, why don't you post where I denied you bringing the short block, you called me and we talked and then you said you were taking it to your shop.

Nice picture of the shot blasted main caps, and debris ran through the bearings but I did not see any debris in the back, what I did see are main caps cut at an angle, not something we did here because the block didn't need to be align honed – we only do that to blocks that need it because it will cause a loose timing set and potential issues like you see with the taper in the mains that your machine shop created when cutting the cap- then you pay for it, also they used the ARP bolts that were also sold to you I'm sure as something "absolutely necessary".

So what you are saying is that forcing the damper would never have affected the thrust, also that adding ARP main bolts and cutting the caps unevenly or having a coolant leak like the pictures show(which you claimed was our fault) would not have affected the engine, got it.

So you say you are not a machinist but that anything I have said has no value and I would really like to know when I said we don't make mistakes, we are human but you don't stay in business long without a good product and customer service.

Same machinist and engine builder that built yours also built these but nobody else put their hands on them...

Jeff Jones has had no failures since he came to us for engines, it's no wonder other racers have as well and these are built and handle sustained high RPM loads.


CPR Engines: 1,000+ Horsepower Hydraulic Roller LS 468

Tech: Building The Motown LS Engine With CPR Engines

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMRlZ3RhilVT-cyYpzHS6Ig

And last but not least the main caps that even Stevie Wonder can see were clearly cut at an angle and rusty cylinders that were apparently also out fault. Not trying to bring the dead back but too busy to stay on forums.

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One thing you guys forget or least have not dealt with are guys that are actually in the same hobby as yours so it is not just a business for us, we could be making money doing other things. So we have our own performance cars, race cars, etc and are not looking to screw people as Eric would have you believe. I am glad he sent us pics while blaming us for certain things because it was quite obvious what happened though it is hard for anybody to diagnose issues over the phone.

Actually Eric I have not belittled or insulted anybody but as the old saying goes "People judge how they live" Guess that is why you tagged us as "CHP drunks!" We are a small business so once again, I have no idea what you are reaching for except trying to make us look bad.

Right because we let the main caps be so far off, if that were true there would have been a spun bearing or oil pressure issues. Yes, the other shop added ARP bolts, did they not tell you it might affect the housing dimensions, obviously not.

Read the last post about company policy, you keep jumping around.

Nothing is wrong with engine parts rubbing for you, just not for us. We obviously would have wanted to see the issues you spoke of, once again you lied about "company policy" then "cost of shipping" then "did not trust them" it's obvious you are "grasping" and you have a right to.

Once again I never insulted your people, reread the last post again and the one about our mechanic.

There are many things we can't explain because we did not take it apart, did you consider that?
It was much easier to say, hey, you guys did crappy work, pay me.

Huh, we talked about getting the engine back to figure out what is wrong now you are saying we denied wanting to fix it? That makes no sense, we want our engines running and happy customers. You stated you had a vibration and there was no idea for me to diagnose it over the phone.

We have nothing to hide so it being on the top is not an issue for us, in fact a couple of customers from The Corral have placed orders with us during this post, we just won the N/A Holley LS Fest Dyno challenge and have more LSX orders so we are good. It's funny how you try to dismiss once again our success but there is a reason we are around and will be for a long time and will put our machine work against anyone's. Here is a video just for you about our bores, dry to avoid any inconsistencies.


And our Dyno win on a simple N/A stock LS hydraulic roller lifter LS

https://www.lsfest.com/bangshiftnos-dyno-challenge/

You were never sucked in to any post, you are the opening poster.

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Hi guys, figured I would chime in having been there to turn CPR into a machine shop and keep the CHP legacy going after Mark gave it to me. In hindsight I should have taken CHP and ran but this gives me a really good opportunity to expose those that **** with me. When I got to CPR, Martins main business was nitrous(the majority was for people to get high) but he called me a couple of times and seemed sincere about turning it into a real machine shop.

I get in, start handling the valve jobs, head surfacing, etc. and customers While Martin handled the engine block machining. Things started well and I brought in my friend and probably the best engine builder CHP had. Then we got more and more people because business kept coming in. Now if you ask Martin it’s all because of him, yet nobody who worked for him before stayed for a long time. In fact, many who did told me to watch out for him.

For a while I was the first one there and last one to leave plus I worked on the website after work. Now I was doing all this because he said “If you bring in CHP, we will be partners 50/50” Guess you can see by now that was bullshit and that’s alright.

Many of you have seen the many combinations and dyno tests We did at CPR/CHP while I was there and you can see that basically died after I left. The one thing I still hear from customers who track me down is that they act like a bunch of clowns and don’t know very much. In fact, CPR employees told me how a customer “was going to kick Nates ass because he kept lying to him so Nate left for a couple of hours”

So why is the shop around and why do they post expensive parts? Well Martin is one of the biggest distributors of nitrous oxide which he gets from 2 different companies. How do you think he got that machinery? Those Huffstomers and Huffahoes, Huffstomers according to him use the nitrous to get high. The Huffahoes trade nitrous oxide for sex. So how lucrative is it? Well you buy a 64lb bottle for $120 and you sell each pound for about $7 and you make about $328 after bottle cost. Does not seem like much but they could go through 30-50 bottles a weekend! At only 40 bottles that’s $13,000. So you heat it up, run it through two smaller nitrous tanks filled with carbon(to get rid of the sulfur) and you have almost medical grade nitrous. This is not speculation, this is what was at the shop and was moved because of the owner of the property not wanting it there anymore.

So the new guy Nate is PR guy and now He is telling customers he is the new owner??? Lol, Martin must have put him up to that because he thinks all people are stupid, he is that arrogant.

So we have a shop that is a front for a nitrous distribution shop.

We have an owner that on many occasions has come into the shop “chewing marbles” and embarrassed myself and other employees.

We have constant lies from them, as I said people have contacted me and told me some stories but as long as the nitrous is flowing the car guys do not matter.

I have been gone since April and my name as well as Franks who has been gone for over 2 years is still on the coasthigh.com website, shows you what kind of shop it really is.

There is a reason so many customers have wanted to kick martins ass, glad I am gone from that ****hole.
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Not sure why Mark and Cougar like picking on each other but I will try to stay on topic.

There are many shops in LA as it is a huge place but it is advised that you visit Because this hobby is not cheap.

As to stock blocks, you can buy a pallet of cores, tear them down, clean, blast, mag, etc and then you find cracks and who is going to pay for your time? Nobody, so that is why most shops will prefer newer blocks. Some also hide the cracks on the decks and sell them with heads ;)

Yes, Mark and I are working together again, as I was the one setting up the engine combinations and head and intake porting while at Crappy Performance and now helping his customers. Honestly we should have done this years ago but I did not think I’d partnered with a snake. The older gents would remember and give him credit but Mark(CHP/Probe) were the pioneers in the SBF stroker engines so it only males sense to keep it going. Though it’s under the Vigilante Performance name that name has allowed me to develop a logo I think guys on this site would like. Real Ford guys would know why so I will post it.

Now if anybody wants to make a crap load of money, be like Martin and sell Nitrous!

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Also, Shaver Racing Engines is a real shop and they have years of experience. I believe the machinist has his own thing, Manny Moreno Enterprises.
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Ed Curtis said:
Hi Toby...

KKKougar is just like George in KKKalifornia... :LOL::ROFLMAO:😅

Anyway... Gotta get with you again on a couple of items...
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You have my cell number Ed, let me know whenever you need anything, BTW, how did the 289 crank set up turn out?
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Cougar5.O said:
I like Mark, though his internet personality varies greatly with his real-life personality:


I think smart, successful people are just stubborn, perhaps explaining our "get the last word" instinct?



Glad to hear you are still in the game, we need more good people in the industry. Good luck going forward. (The Vigilante site should make the Facebook links hotlinks.) BTW, what is a "VPE 427W"?
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Thanks, I have a passion for this and very few people know I have pushed various vendors to add or change products that are configured wrong so I will be in for the long run.

Ohhh, Vigilante Performance Engines, that was a Dart 427W I set up for Shaun at Streetortrack.com, 625HP and 550ftlbs on pump gas for his road race Mustang. Wish AFR had the new big SBF head we would have picked up about another 20+ peak plus more all around.

Not sure if I will get into building engines though, or just performance parts and port work.

Mark is a trip, much funnier in person, still a flirt at restaurants even as of a couple of weeks ago, according to him, he is just friendly.
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Ok, shut the thread, Mark, are you an approved sponsor? Was not trying to get you in trouble. BTW, how many engine builders have started businesses because of you? How many piston companies have copied the combinations you had? So now we can shut it down.

BTW, finally found the article on when CPR and many businesses got raided, whoever was in charge was not smart enough to find how they were filtering it...


https://newsantaana.com/santa-ana-businesses-busted-for-unsafe-storage-and-sale-of-nitrous-oxide/
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tony soprano said:
Can you clarify the above comment a bit? Does this mean that AFR has a new head coming out with a larger port volume than the current 220cc Renegade heads? Or, does it mean you got the above results with a set of 205cc Renegade heads?
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AFR is busy trying to catch up to orders they missed while being shut down but yes, they are working on a new big CC SBF head and it does flows better everywhere not just ar higher lifts :)

Still months away but as soon as the new head is out I am driving to AFR to meet with Rick the owner and will make a video on them.
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Saleen414 said:
Question is, will all of the stuff that bolts up to a 220 Renegade bolt up to these new heads? And how much "better" are they? Link?
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I replied below but yes, will be similar to the 220, it is not a raised Intake port head which I think is needed to compete with Ls engines but that is a story for another day.
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Ed Curtis said:
Unless they plan on a canted valve head...

... might be another dead in the water deal like the rolled valve angle small block head they had years ago.
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You remember that Ed? Air Flow Research was coming out with the AFR 12R canted valve head and then boom, it’s gone! Then TFS comes out with the 11R, coincidence?
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Saleen414 said:
Thanks for the reply. I have a ton of money in my current set up that is centered around the 220 head. It would be nice to get a better flowing head without having to buy different headers, ($1,200) shaft mount rockers ($1,500) and lower intake manifold that has a custom upper intake that houses a air/water I/C. ($4,000+) The cost to switch over to a different configuration would be considerable.
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Your intake manifold and exhaust will be just fine but the valves are moved so different rockers will be necessary, that’s all I can say for now.
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Toby;
You have a lot of balls coming back into this thread and pushing your agenda like nothing ever happened. You and Martin both did me wrong and called me a liar regardless of all of the pics and documentation I provided. I even invited Mark to come down and see the engine disassembly himself.
I'll give you a little update about your engine. The block was cracked and a cylinder was leaking combustion into the coolant thus blowing the freeze plugs. Of course: my builder wanted to mag the block and I said no need. Well that bit me in the arse! I lost all the way around on that pile of scrap metal.
It speaks volumes that you stayed at CHP/CPRE even while knowing what Martin had going on in the shop in hopes of becoming a partner. You are just as guilty as him for not coming forward sooner. You basically got what was coming to you although I wouldn't wish it on anyone. You can't just wash your hands of that operation because you were just as much a part of it.
I'm sure the klan will be checking in soon to bash me. I could care less at this point but I can tell you that an apology would have went a long way.
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"You have a lot of balls coming back into this thread and pushing your agenda like nothing ever happened "

Just two actually but they are big and veiny, no ****!

"You and Martin both did me wrong and called me a liar" You never sent the parts in to inspect and wanted us to take your ford for everything, at one point Martin was even going to compensate you for the shortblock, you two kept emailing back and forth and he knew you were going to post it on the internet, did not care. Company policy is company policy and it was his to change if he wanted. At one point he offered to rebuild it completely and dyno test it with no money out if your pocket if it was CPR/CHP' and you only purchased a shortblock. Again you refused, We were building about 160 engines a year and none were rushed and I have no reason to defend him but when I and my friend the engine builder were there, a lot of performance and racing engines were built.

Funny how now the block was cracked yet your great machine shop did not do what most machine shops I deal with do when doing an inspection. You could have received a new block if it really was cracked but your turned it down.

"It speaks volumes that you stayed at CHP/CPRE even while knowing what Martin had going on in the shop in hopes of becoming a partner. You are just as guilty as him for not coming forward sooner"

Yes it does, I was there because my friend the engine builder was there and all was harmony as long as I set up the combos and he built them. All of the talent was still there when you decided not to have us inspect the engine so it really has no bearing to my warning of future individuals.

"You can't just wash your hands of that operation because you were just as much a part of it."

Everyone is different and you can't make everyone happy but understanding goes a long way because no matter what you say, hundreds of people that dealt with me are very happy and send Mark and I a lot of business. Right now I am fixing a situation from a customer I had while I was at Crappy Performance Racing/CPR in Gardena. Set up a Customer with an expensive rotating assembly with custom dome tops and machine work. Order was completed days before I left and even not working there the customer depended on me to push CPR's employees to get his order ready because they would not return his calls and finally got his parts. Months later he was about to install the heads and to his surprise the domes hit his head and was obviously not happy, could not get anything from them and called me. Mind you, I was never paid for this order and thousands worth that I had going but despite what you may say about me, I am a car guy and called the piston manufacturer to straighten this out. Engineer said "Pistons are correct and that I put down the wrong style cylinder head" I have been doing this for almost 20 years(So I knew I was right) and weeks later the piston company would not do anything without receiving the pistons. See how that works? Did I or the customer start bashing them online? Nope. He handled it a little different and he is out of the country, he took the engine apart, shipped me pistons and heads at great expense to him and I have been taking care of him for FREE!

Now I don't think I have bashed you but remember that for every action there is a reaction.
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