thanks for all the reply's, i called one local dealer here in ny, long island. his best offer was..ready? for an 04 , premium pkg., w/ abs+t/c, automatic, mach 460...24,800 plus tax. that seems real high to me. i dont understand though, the invoice on the car i'm interested in is 24,700. how are there deals out there for gt's ..let alone mach 1's for 22,000 and lower. please tell me where, but i hope i dont have to go 1800 miles, although those are great prices. i mean, i have 15k to put down and i am serious. i just need a little education here, how are you all doing these deals? thanks again..greg