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402rwhp/359rwtq Stock Short Block 302

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I put this combo together based on Rock4451's post here 372rwhp Thread I thought it was super impressive for a bolt on 302. Life gets busy and he unfortunately never got it dialed in at the track. I happen to drag race quite a bit so I decided I would try to put one together and see how quick I can go. My previous combo was ported GT40Y's, F303+ cam = 11.86 at 114 354rwhp STD.

I got it on the dyno yesterday and the results blew me away. The TFS 190 11R's and Ed's cam picked up 60 HP at the wheels!(STD) I'll post the SAE smoothing 5 sheet since that is what Rock had posted in his thread(Uncorrected and STD numbers/sheets are in the video). I did not do any tuning, just a couple pulls and the AFR is pig rich. I'll be able to fine tune that at the track. I had looked at the plugs and put in a fresh O2 sensor before the dyno and pulled some jets and it was still rich at about 11.5 AFR across the board.

I've been to the track a few times this year before the dyno and ran a best of 11.58 at 117mph. PB 60' at 1.58. Now the goal is to get the suspension, clutch program, chassis, and me the driver as efficient as possible and see how quick we can go.

Combo:
1968 Torino GT 3260 pounds with driver
Stock explorer 302 short block - stock lifters
FTI custom hydraulic roller cam
TFS 190 11R’s 56cc
Victor JR intake 1 inch open spacer
Holley 650HP
1 5/8" headers - 3” HARM X-pipe and mufflers
MSD ignition
Electric fan - Small crank pulley
Aluminum flywheel and driveshaft
G-Force street T5
9” 4.30’s 31 spline Yukon locker
MT 26 x 10 stiff wall slicks
Calvert 90/10 shocks
Mororo 242# trick springs
Calvert mono leafs and Caltrac bars
Viking double adjustable shocks
Rectangle Slope Font Parallel Plot
Receipt Font Number Pattern Temperature


I started posting some vids on youtube just sharing the process if you're interested. I don't have the personality to carry a channel lol. Just having some fun. Not much out there for Torino content... especially SBF stick car stuff.

Dyno video.

First passes of the year.
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No news there ....
Lighter is always quicker. :cool:

Both these custom built clutch assemblies won many events and set multiple records in heads up class racing...




Black Magic
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Wow Impressive.

i put in a standalone EFI 427 crate engine with 11R 205 heads 1 7/8 headers and ran a ported victor jr intake recently and only made 79 hp more Than your 302 build.

thats awesome man
its all in the tune.
Wow Impressive.

i put in a standalone EFI 427 crate engine with 11R 205 heads 1 7/8 headers and ran a ported victor jr intake recently and only made 79 hp more Than your 302 build.

thats awesome man
79 H/P at the wheels is a pretty substantial difference.
79 H/P at the wheels is a pretty substantial difference.
Not when you consider the cost difference between the two builds.

His cost per hp is very good.
No news there ....
Nope, same math for decades.
Not when you consider the cost difference between the two builds.

His cost per hp is very good.
You changed the subject. I repeat. 79 REAR WHEEL horsepower is a substantial difference ... leaving aside difference in setup, chassis, weight, transmission, etc.


Nor did I see the cost of the two builds so a comparison could be made. When you're babbling about rear wheel horsepower you can't compare apples to pomegranates ... which is why I ignore chassis dynos.
I get what your saying.


but mightymac picking up 60 to the wheels with an off the shelf head and Ed's cam on a stock block 302 cubic inch motor with stock lifers...

thats a substantial Difference

happy for you man. Let's get some numbers
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Why stay with a diaphragm clutch if the rules don’t demand it?

My build is creeping along slowly. Love reading about other small displacement manual transmission builds. Keep up the great work Mikey and Brent.
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It does cause piston to valve issues @Ed Curtis …….. extreme joy and elation issues to be exact, when the valve opens and the thumping of the exhaust and roaring of the pistons turn into acceleration!!!


Welcome to my world!

Surprised that one of those "BoobTube" experts hasn't told you that a camshaft over .600" lift is going to cause piston to valve issues. :LOL:
Why stay with a diaphragm clutch if the rules don’t demand it?

My build is creeping along slowly. Love reading about other small displacement manual transmission builds. Keep up the great work Mikey and Brent.
For me it was a budget thing at the time. A clutch and scatter shield adds like $2500+. But if and when the T5 breaks again I'm thinking faceplated TKX and get with Cale on a clutch. And if the 302 breaks then a ZSR 363.. Might have to sell the Shelby lol.
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Mikey, my car always had a bog like yours. I changed to Hoosier 26x8.5 slick from the MT 26x10 and picked up .23 et. Best time with the MT was 12.17. First pass on the Hoosier was 11.99 and backed it up with an 11.94. MPH was the same. It still has a little bog though. Great job with the progress, can’t wait to see more!
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Add another .015" shim to the pressure plate.
Excuse my ignorance... but are you talking about the clutch pressure plate?
Excuse my ignorance... but are you talking about the clutch pressure plate?
RAM Pressure Plate Shim set #550
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Mikey, my car always had a bog like yours. I changed to Hoosier 26x8.5 slick from the MT 26x10 and picked up .23 et. Best time with the MT was 12.17. First pass on the Hoosier was 11.99 and backed it up with an 11.94. MPH was the same. It still has a little bog though. Great job with the progress, can’t wait to see more!
I have thought about that as well.
You guys are getting gifts. Few years back NOBODY was talking about shims on diaphragm clutches. You had to know a guy who trusted you. Clutch is as important as the proper torque converter.
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Most wouldn’t believe how much ET is in the clutch.
Forgive my ignorance here:

I'm a bit confused how OP here, and Rock4451 got such amazing results out of their 302s compared to almost every other dyno result I've seen from HCI. I know that proper parts combinations plays an important role, as does tuning, but most stock bottom 302s I see struggle to crack even 300WHP. These two guys here are 70-100WHP over what I feel like is more common to see. This is all on 93 octane correct?

I also have a hard time thinking it could just be a generously reading dyno, since we have 1/4 slips to back it up. I'm just curious, as part of me is considering building my stock bottom 302 but I'm also concerned it would be a "waste of time" as I'd really only be happy with a minimum of 350+WHP.
Forgive my ignorance here:

I'm a bit confused how OP here, and Rock4451 got such amazing results out of their 302s compared to almost every other dyno result I've seen from HCI. I know that proper parts combinations plays an important role, as does tuning, but most stock bottom 302s I see struggle to crack even 300WHP. These two guys here are 70-100WHP over what I feel like is more common to see. This is all on 93 octane correct?

I also have a hard time thinking it could just be a generously reading dyno, since we have 1/4 slips to back it up. I'm just curious, as part of me is considering building my stock bottom 302 but I'm also concerned it would be a "waste of time" as I'd really only be happy with a minimum of 350+WHP.
A good induction system with a free flowing exhaust, and the proper camshaft goes a long way.
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Forgive my ignorance here:

I'm a bit confused how OP here, and Rock4451 got such amazing results out of their 302s compared to almost every other dyno result I've seen from HCI. I know that proper parts combinations plays an important role, as does tuning, but most stock bottom 302s I see struggle to crack even 300WHP. These two guys here are 70-100WHP over what I feel like is more common to see. This is all on 93 octane correct?

I also have a hard time thinking it could just be a generously reading dyno, since we have 1/4 slips to back it up. I'm just curious, as part of me is considering building my stock bottom 302 but I'm also concerned it would be a "waste of time" as I'd really only be happy with a minimum of 350+WHP.
Both have one common denominator.....
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Forgive my ignorance here:

I'm a bit confused how OP here, and Rock4451 got such amazing results out of their 302s compared to almost every other dyno result I've seen from HCI. I know that proper parts combinations plays an important role, as does tuning, but most stock bottom 302s I see struggle to crack even 300WHP. These two guys here are 70-100WHP over what I feel like is more common to see. This is all on 93 octane correct?

I also have a hard time thinking it could just be a generously reading dyno, since we have 1/4 slips to back it up. I'm just curious, as part of me is considering building my stock bottom 302 but I'm also concerned it would be a "waste of time" as I'd really only be happy with a minimum of 350+WHP.
What is your combo and timeslip?

How much horsepower do the calculators say that Mike makes with his combo based on weight and timeslip?
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