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1993 Mustang GT Convertible - Trials & Tribulations (Definitely NOT Stock!)

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I had initially thought I was going to get a build log started, update pictures, and be a proactive Fox owner……….. That was 2018, and it was only supposed to be an off season build. It’s actually been a whirlwind of a project, that turned into a multi-year and increased scope & budget project that has almost finished spiraling out of control………. Foxbody life, right?

Lucky I have pictures! I am going to start down the journey with the build from it’s infancy, through where it is today in pictures with a story to keep you all entertained whilst trying to fall asleep in bed, pass time at work or dare I say in the washroom.

The image below is of the engine compartment as it sits today. Pretty isn’t it?

This SBF turns over with the force of a lion, but alas will not start. I have been in the process of tracing every wire in the harnesses to locate why there is no spark, no fuel, and the electric fans turn on the moment the ignition switch send signal and in the on position.

To take it a step further, at the time all of the work was done (2018 through 2021) there was a wire tuck, with a new ECU system, full fuel system replace, cam, heads, intake, LT headers, electric water pump, reconfigure of pulleys, 3G conversion, new seats, new rearend, new front/rear suspension, rear arms, Cobra Brakes front & rear, manual brakes, restored the under carriage, replaced headlights, some paint, working on a new hood, and a multitude of other things we’ll get to as the story unravels………….

Before we get too deep into the pictures and story, I wanted to thank @Ed Curtis for the custom cam and the main inspiration for the build @Rock4451 – If you have not checked out his previous N.A. stock short block build before, take a few moments to do so, it’s impressive.

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I am pretty thankful to have time tomorrow to dig in deep on the no start situation, as we now have fuel pump turning on, there is spark (wihout the MSD 6AL unit), the distributor signals have been verified, timing is close, compression is there. I think I know what it is, but I REALLY hope it isn't - the fuel system is snaked together so nicely I don't what to have to pull it apard for a clean out.

The MSD issue will have to wait until a different time, I can get it to run and spark nicely until the ECU is hooked up to it. Then no spark.

I guess if you only do something once, it isn't truely hot rodding.
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The stock brakes were inadequate at best in stock form on the Foxbody platforms, the 4-bolt arrangement on Mustangs was even more ridiculous.

This particular Fox ended up with a 5 bolt conversion at some point in it’s life before coming into my possession, but remained un-upgraded to a better rotor or caliper. The 10” stock discs did not provide any real confident stopping power in spirited driving or autocross/road course situations. The stock rear drums don’t even need to be mentioned.

Front suspension received 1995 hub assemblies, rebuilt to new specs, with the upgraded ball joints and poly bushings. In the same flavor of other things on this Fox, the arms were sand blasted and refinished in black.

The Cobra Brake Kit came with brackets, calipers, braided lines and E-Brake cables (which being a VERY late 1993 model, this unit has 1994 rear cables – found out the hard way). The rotors and pads were deleted from the kit and ordered separately, as I wanted something more aggressive for this build. The kit can be had with or without these items, the vendor was amazing and I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend or reuse on the next project.

For various reasons, I opted for a manual Cobra brake system. The factory booster is quite heavy and it’s huge, creating awkward access for headers, plugs, bolts and anything in that area. This was performed properly, with the correct aluminum master cylinder for the application, correct lines from Maximum Motorsports, and the firewall adapter and pedal kit from MM as well.

For reference, the wheels installed (previous owner) are 18" diamter.

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Nice. Good to see another Fox 'vert build. Finally finished my '86 'vert in 2020 - that was about six years long. Also an autocross/track car but not a drag racer. Be interested to know what yours weighs when it's done.
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Nice. Good to see another Fox 'vert build. Finally finished my '86 'vert in 2020 - that was about six years long. Also an autocross/track car but not a drag racer. Be interested to know what yours weighs when it's done.
I had followed your build thread pretty closely, I really like seeing highly modified Foxes - but the drop top version has alwasy been special to me.

Love you car and how the build turned out @qtrracer

I will definitley scale it once it's finished.
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Just a little update……..

The ECU system is truly a plug and play system, though I have had some difficulties in tracing a few things down within the car.

Sometimes you modify too many things, and don’t take out enough of the old system.

This is what I have done.

The SDS system allowed the removal of quite a few things without any issues. Which is nice, as you often don’t need them in a performance build. This inspired a wire tuck during the downtime the car has experienced. Initially I expected to remove all of the un-needed wiring (A/C, Smog, MAF, EGR, and anything else useless to the build), though I did not. The wire tuck commenced with the wiring that is there, and made a small visual difference, but that will now become a project for another winter.

The purpose of this post, was to bring a little joy to you all in the form of an overlooked problem that had me using cursing as plain language for a while.

The fuel pump would not turn on for any reason whatsoever. There EEC relay, the fuel pump relay, the ignition switch and everything in between would power. The pump wouldn’t turn on unless it triggered it manually at the fuel pump relay. 40 psi almost instantly.

The ECU came out, went back to the manufacturer for a review, then the vendor, and it all checked out. By this point I have pulled wiring apart that was neatly loomed and tucked, then for a moment when I pulled the harness, the pump engaged for a couple of seconds.

Realizing that there was a wiring issue, I went straight from the ECU to the relay – BINGO! The wire tuck and pulling led to some older wires to break and loose continuity.

The no fuel problem is 50% solved. As the fuel pump now turns on, and pressures up with ease at the stroke of a key.

The other 50% I will be working on this weekend…………
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Have you ever bought something for your Fox (or project car in general) and been so disappointed that you refused to install it?

This is one of the tragedies encountered with this build a couple of years ago.

A solid cowl panel to replace the stock cowl grill was ordered from a fairly reputable vendor, whom had a nice enough website and images of multiple versions of cowl panels that were apparently on show cars.

When the panel was received, it was just shy of garbage. The fitment is absolutely terrible, and the dimensioning was waaaaaay off. As a guy with beyond extensive experience with fiberglass work, I can attest its extremely bad, as the mold would need to have been terrible before the final production pieces could be bad.

Eventually I will make my own, as I do want that pressure area at the base of the windshield to be blocked off, unless I modify the firewall to vend the engine compartment pressure here………..

Regardless, the terribly quality control and lack if manufacturer support, lead to the painting of the factory cowl grill, and it looks pretty good, or I think so anyway.


Edit: I am unsure why the blocked cowl pics are so pixelated, but you are'te missing much

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Have you ever bought something for your Fox (or project car in general) and been so disappointed that you refused to install it?
Yes, but had to install the dash pad on my '86. The dealer cracked the original and paid for a replacement, but that pad was a real POS. Fortunately, I kept the original and had it recovered when we built the '86. Tossed the replacement it was such garbage.

That cowl looks like it was designed (or not) for a race car where fit and finish are not as important as weight saving, and removal as needed.
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Yes, but had to install the dash pad on my '86. The dealer cracked the original and paid for a replacement, but that pad was a real POS. Fortunately, I kept the original and had it recovered when we built the '86. Tossed the replacement it was such garbage.

That cowl looks like it was designed (or not) for a race car where fit and finish are not as important as weight saving, and removal as needed.
That is really crappy about your dash. How long ago was this? I wonder if some of the newer materials and vendors build anything better. Touch wood, I haven’t had to do anything with the dash yet.

I don’t know if the moderators would appreciate a non-supporting vendor being listed, even as a warning to not buy from, but the pictures on the website were nothing of the sort.

There were multiple versions of the panel on the website, plain cowls as this one, and others that had woven mesh grills and intricate detail for show cars. I’ve purchased more fibreglass parts through the years than I can count working on a mostly glass 69 Dodge Dart GT very slowly now too and I’ve never seen anyone sell a fibreglass product so poorly done before.

If the mould as developed was correct, it would be duplicatable fairly easily without fail. I expect to clean up fibreglass parts when I get them, but having to cut, add pieces, remove areas, fill and redrill holes isn’t acceptable unless you inform the buyer what they’re getting.

The only reason I opted to buy the part over making it myself was time. Which it took over 3 months to receive the part, and didn’t really save any time.
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That is really crappy about your dash. How long ago was this? I wonder if some of the newer materials and vendors build anything better. Touch wood, I haven’t had to do anything with the dash yet.
Oh, 1995 or so. This was a Dashes Direct piece IIRC. Repros at that time were not that good as NOS parts were still available but expensive. I thought the dealer would install NOS - surprise, not. But a non-cracked POS was better than the mess they made of the original. That one took quite a bit of work to look good again. I even had them take out the three sets of speaker grill holes to clean it up.
Well the endeavours of today ended, and though the car is a little closer to start up - it’s further away from completion.

Fuel system official apart (again) and should have the injectors cleaned and back together to fire on the weekend.

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I know this is one of those modifications that is strictly of preference. I also assume there will be potential tar & feathering that could occur………

The theme throughout the car is red/black and polished aluminum, though the wheels will get a replacement at somepoint to also reflect this. I wanted to have something a little different from stock in theh headlights, but not too different. I have never really been a fan of the one piece aftermarket headlights for Foxbodys or the Euro tail lights. Some guys/gals really like this look, it just isn’t for me.

In comes the 3 piece clear lens smoked headlights from American Muscle. They are lightly smoked, and will receive a brighter than stock LED bulb to overcome a little of the coating.

I still have LX tails in, as I actually did prefer them at one point, but I may go back to cheese grater tails. I wish I hadn’t sold them.

I am torn between keeping the LX tails (lightly smoking with clear), going back to GT, or converting to earlier SVO. My favorite taillights on the fox are 1979 Mustang or the Capri horizontals. I haven’t looked into what kind of PIA it is to convert, but I haven’t been able to find a decent set of either anyway. Take a look online…….

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I wouldn't worry about what anybody else thinks, it's your car, what you think is the only opinion that matters. From my perspective though, I love the choice! I did a similar style (smoked Cobra) headlights in my '95 with LED bulbs.

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I wouldn't worry about what anybody else thinks, it's your car, what you think is the only opinion that matters. From my perspective though, I love the choice! I did a similar style (smoked Cobra) headlights in my '95 with LED bulbs.

Jay
Where are the pics of this beast?????

All I could find were pre-transplant images. They do look pretty sweet.........
I too decided on a theme for my '86. Grey/Black with some Red accents and polished pieces, the most notable being the wheels. Black is the top, mirrors, window trim and 93 Cobra taillights with the stripping. Since mine is a 4-eye, I thought about including the black "racoon" look at the headlights, but I think the paint color does almost the same without a clear distinctive line. I was going to black out the hood vents too but didn't. Red accents are the brake calipers, stitching on the seats and a "Fawkes" logo inserted on the door cards. Motor and bay is black, polished covers, TB and front drive accesories, siliver upper and headers, and red MSD cap and plug wires.

I have two sets of aero light covers - smoked and clear - but not certain about those. It's easy to go a bit overboard so I took the conservative approach in the beginning and will try stuff with photo shop or something virtually if I can before settling on other changes.
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I too decided on a theme for my '86. Grey/Black with some Red accents and polished pieces, the most notable being the wheels. Black is the top, mirrors, window trim and 93 Cobra taillights with the stripping. Since mine is a 4-eye, I thought about including the black "racoon" look at the headlights, but I think the paint color does almost the same without a clear distinctive line.
This color combination is stunning too - especially with the hood!
Where are the pics of this beast?????

All I could find were pre-transplant images. They do look pretty sweet.........
I seem to have forgotten that I replaced the American Muscle smoked cobra headlight housings and side marker housings with clear recently. I found OEM quality Cobra housings at Rock Auto for ridiculously low prices! I liked the look of the smoked housings better, but the fit and quality of the OEM replacements is considerably better.
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This definitely looks like a lot of fun……..
This definitely looks like a lot of fun……..
Currently it's in the garage, up on jack stands to keep the rodents out of it, and a snow storm is piling up snow outside. It would be awesome if myself and the car were in Florida :D.

Jay
Funny you should say that @petmotel …… or not funny….. depending on your sense of humour.

Following a full fuel system review, and taking it all apart, something told me to pull the ECU harness out and see if there was an issue of rub through that may be causing some of the issues that have occurred since trying to get on the start up.

Not too sure what got at this - a rodent? The car had the A/C removed and a few items related to the emissions disconnected when I bought the car. There were a few odd things, like burning through a TFI unit or 2 each season and having intermittent TPS issues that I thought I would get to eventually.

I think the partial wire tuck and tugging wires to relocate them caused some of the minor issues to become major with lost continuity on some wires and grounding issues on others.

All was repaired over the last couple of days and is mostly back together. Hoping to go through it all again, add fuel and see what happens.

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Well that sure isn't pretty! Can't tell from the picture, if rodents did that they would probably have a nest somewhere in the car and you would likely be able to smell the infestation.

Ya, nothing really too hilarious about mice eating through the wiring. My boarding kennel is in the middle of an agricultural area, so there are plenty of assorted rodents that basically get into everything. Absolute best defense is to get the car in the air. Makes getting the car out a PITA. Car lift would be ideal.

Best wishes to you, hope everything decides it wants to work now. If you continue with intermittent ignition issues take a look at the main power relay up in there beside the glove box. Lots of folks don't even know it's there.

Jay
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